Anyone know anything about Eaglesham?

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Russell
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Re: Anyone know anything about Eaglesham?

Post by Russell » Sun May 08, 2011 12:17 am

I must have slept through some of the other posts :?
I agree with Sarah that the word is "Cocks...something at the head of the village". I can't find anything which even vaguely resembles the second part of the word; if indeed it is a part of it . It may be a separate word like lane although the second letter appears to be an 'i' as the dot is in the same position as in other instances of the letter.

Russell
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David Hamilton
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Re: Anyone know anything about Eaglesham?

Post by David Hamilton » Sun May 08, 2011 1:13 pm

Hi all,
Thanks so much for the input.
You have got my mind working again. Comparisons made feel confident about this first letter, however your suggestions have renewed some doubt. Which is a good thing.
Yes, initially i was thinking perhaps 'Creslin' or the like, 'Cretlin'. But i developed doubt about it being a "C".
The reproduction i have provided is of a moderate res. so i have the benefit of the original; what i thought i could discern was that the upper curve appeared to continue suggesting a faded loop, which made it seem like an 'l'. I began to think that the ink has faded or the nib has just 'swept' the surface?
Maybe i'm seeing things?
Following the faded loop theory another letter that i thought bore comparison was 'b'?
But these are all lower case unlike the "C" possibility.
However so engrossed in these minute subtleties i failed to notice the capital "L" in Langlee. So a big thank you to you Sarah, for pointing it out.
Now the faded loop is fading further.

Thanks once again.
David.

P.S. Would love to hear what you have on schools Ken.
Going back to the 17th c. i came across a reference to a schoolmaster in the Montgomerie Family papers:
"Discharge of Alexander Majore (Major), schoolmaster at Eaglesham, for 100m merks for his service at the kirk of Eaglesham, 30 November 1658".
(NAS GD3/8/6 1649-1699 See Description list item 9))

P.P.S. For the sake of putting some flesh on bones : http://nla.gov.au/nla.pic-an2294050

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Re: Anyone know anything about Eaglesham?

Post by kennethm » Mon May 09, 2011 7:56 pm

Unfortunately I haven't found Lochlin yet but still looking...

David & Sheila,

Here's the information I've found out about the local schools:

According to the Statistical Account 'The encouragement for a schoolmaster is better than most country parishes. The salary is 100 pounds Scots and the number of scholars through the year may be rated at 60 or upwards'. The dominie (schoolmaster) was accommodated at the schoolhouse. In 1840 there were 'three schools in the parish besides the parish school. The number of scholars at the parish school was about 80 and still rising. At another school (Eaglesham Female Industrial School) 90 children are taught of whom 20 or 30 belong to the cotton factory; at a third 15; and a fourth about 9. A new schoolhouse was lately erected, capable of containing 150 scholars.' The 1863 Ordnance Survey map shows the 'new' schoolhouse to have been located off a narrow lane beside a two-storey house at 10 Polnoon Street. When a new school opened in 1901 in Strathaven Road, the old school was no longer required and was demolished. It was through the generosity of William Browning, the well beloved headmaster, that the lime trees that line each side of the Orry were planted. Money left over from the War Memorial on the Parish Church was used as he wished, as a token of remembrance to village lads who had given services to their country. The current primary school is still situated in Strathaven Road and, although considerably extended, the old school building is still in use today. The Eaglesham Female Industrial School in Poloon Street is today used as the Eaglesham Masonic Lodge.

Kenneth

ps David, Thanks for the information about the 17th c. schoolmaster. I hadn't any information about parish schools in the 17th c. Wonder where the schoolhouse was?

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Re: Anyone know anything about Eaglesham?

Post by kennethm » Mon May 09, 2011 8:03 pm

David,

Here's some info. about the Hamiltons of Eaglesham as per my P.M.

The birth/baptisimal records for Greenfield of Eaglesham from 1695 to 1814 reveal several Hamiltons.

Name | Father | Birth/baptism of child
Mary | Andrew Hamilton | 8 Dec 1728
Janet | Andrew Hamilton | 13 Jun 1731
William | Andrew Hamilton | 5 Jan 1735
Isobel | Andrew Hamilton | 5 Jul 1737
William | Andrew Hamilton | 9 Nov 1739
John | James Hamilton | 3 Jun 1750
Janet | James Hamilton | 1 Dec 1751

I'll let you know if I find other Hamilton's living in the parish.

All the best,

Kenneth
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Re: Anyone know anything about Eaglesham?

Post by kennethm » Mon May 09, 2011 8:22 pm

Tomorrow (10th May) is the 70th anniversary of Rudolf Hess's landing near Eaglesham.

Hess was on a "special mission" to see the Duke of Hamilton, and that he had intended to land at the Duke's Dungavel House residence but in poor light parachuted out of his aeroplane close to Eaglesham House some 12 miles distant.

There's been a few things appearing in the news recently. Local historian Bill Niven has written a two part article about the remarkable event that'll appear in the East Kilbride News on 11th and 18th May.

Kenneth
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Re: Anyone know anything about Eaglesham?

Post by sheilajim » Wed May 11, 2011 2:02 am

Hi Kenneth,

Thank you for the info on the schools. The reason that I was interested in them is that my GGGrandmother,Elizabeth Kennedy, who was born in Eaglesham about 1828, could not even sign her name. :shock: What is even more strange is that her father, my GGGGrandfather could sign his name and her younger sister, Agnes, could also sign her name. Was my GGGrandmother not too bright or just unlucky? Learning to write your name is not hard. Before I started school, my mother taught me how to write my name in about an hour. Another oddity is that that my GGGrandmother Elizabeth Kennedy married a schoolteacher. :?
Sheila

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Re: Anyone know anything about Eaglesham?

Post by LesleyB » Wed May 11, 2011 8:17 am

Hi Sheila
Learning to write your name is not hard. Before I started school, my mother taught me how to write my name in about an hour.
Learning to write your name can be a very difficult task for someone who is dyslexic - not everyone is able to pick up writing skills quickly, despite obvious intelligence in other areas. Such a condition was not recognised in the 1800s or given a specific name. Sadly, even in my living memory, many of those who did struggle with reading & writing, were just labelled "not too bright" and given an awful time at school. Just a thought...

Best wishes
Lesley

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Re: Anyone know anything about Eaglesham?

Post by sheilajim » Wed May 11, 2011 8:24 pm

Hi Leslie,

You make a good point. I remember a playmate and classmate. We first met when our family moved to Montreal when I was five years old. She was only 8 months older than me but seemed 10 years older in the ways of the world. My mother was always talking about how smart my friend was. My mother was always saying that she had never before seen such a smart little girl. This statement of my mother's used to put my nose out of joint. :) Yet from the time we started school together in the first grade until we left school, she was always struggling with her lessons. What came easily to me was difficult for her. It wasn't as though she didn't apply herself to her lessons, she studied far more than I ever did. The term dyslexic was not used at that time. She might have had it. It would have explained a great deal.
It is unlikely that I will ever learn about my GGGrandmothe's problems. It is possible that her father and younger sister had more schooling than she did.
When I was little our family always had a lot of books lying around the house. I doubt that there were a lot of books lying around when my GGGrandmother was little. :(

Regards
Sheila

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Re: Anyone know anything about Eaglesham?

Post by kennethm » Wed May 11, 2011 9:23 pm

Here's an update on the proposed Eaglesham heritage trail which is due to open in the coming months.

The trail will be an informative and educational attraction that encourages people to get outdoors and increases awareness of the village's historical past. It will use existing pathways and consist of 12 information panels at various key locations around the village - revealing information people may not have known before with the help of pictures and graphics.

A trail guide will be on display next to Polnoon Lodge, with a map of the route. It will also highlight other points of interest in the wider area. The trail, funded by East Renfrewshire LEADER and The National Lottery Awards for All Scheme, will be mostly centred on the Orry - including landmarks such as the mill ruins, church, Statue House and Mid Road.

Local historian Bill Niven has carried out much of the historical research and free printed trail guides and activity packs will be available from local shops and businesses to help lead people around the various points of interest. It is also hoped that a website will be set up to allow people to download information and that guided walks might be held as fundraisers to help maintain the trail. The primary school and other youth groups have been involved in developing the trail and information panels. And an archaeological survey around the mill area as well as the planting of a time caspsule are planned as part of the opening of the trail. Community Development Trust vice-chairman Peter Rogers said: " We hope to create a fun, interactive experience that will create an economic boost for local businesses."

Best wishes,

Kenneth

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Re: Anyone know anything about Eaglesham?

Post by kennethm » Wed May 11, 2011 9:56 pm

David,

Here are some more Hamiltons...

From Index to Glasgow Testaments 1547 - 1800
Simon Hamilton at Langlie in 4th May 1681

From List of Hearths in the Parish of Eaglesham
James Hamilton in Langlee

From Eaglesham Poll Tax Roles 1695
James Hamilton in Langlee

From The Survey for (Farm) Horse Tax for the County of Renfrew
Andrew Hamilton in Longlee

From Birth/baptismal records for Longlee in Eaglesham

Name | Father | Birth/baptism of child
Jean | John Hamilton | 23 Sep 1750
Simon | John Hamilton | 12 Apr 1752
Janet (twin) | John Hamilton | 29 Apr 1756
Ann (twin) | John Hamilton | 29 Apr 1756
Mary | John Hamilton | 15 Feb 1759
John | John Hamilton | 31 Mar 1756
James | Andrew Hamilton | 29 Jul 1817

Best wishes,

Kenneth