Further Info on Blairgowrie Flinn / Flynn, 1800s

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notscottishitscrap
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Further Info on Blairgowrie Flinn / Flynn, 1800s

Post by notscottishitscrap » Mon Sep 29, 2014 6:16 pm

Hi, I have a few questions - or starting points - and they are all related to the above topic, so I will just list them in order and anyone who is more expert than me in these matters that is of a helpful mind, may pick and choose what they feel they can assist with. I have taken things about as far as I think I can go...but this is the realm of the experts, and you might have some new ideas, or be able to do in 5 minutes what would take me a year of trial and error...

JAMES FLINN first appears at age 13 in the 1851 Scotland Census in Angus, Dunottar, Lintrathen.

He is part of a household that is headed by his father PETER FLINN (age 38 in 1851). This is the only information I have on Peter Flinn and the trail goes cold for me. Obviously he had ancestors - I heard his father was John Flinn somewhere but that's all I have.

His (Peter's) mother's side is a bit more tentatively traced out... Apparently his mother was Jean Lundie. And her parents were John Lundie and Martha Tarbert. And that's all I have.

Also in this 1851 census household, there was a woman named Janet Graham (age 52). Presumably she was just a hired hand or something - but it would be interesting to learn who she was.

In the 1881 census, there was a Catherine Nairn (age 26) now that James Flynn was the head of the household, who was also presumably a hired hand, but who might have had an interesting story.

There are a couple old photographs of members of this family, taken in this area of Scotland, by a D. Milne (Blairgowrie) and J.C. Young (Perth). I came across a thread with a few references to D. Milne (viewtopic.php?f=53&t=12918). It was interesting but didn't flesh things out a whole lot. Nothing on J.C. Young. I don't know if I'm really looking for anything by learning more about these photographers, but it could flesh out the story more, I suppose. Maybe they photographed William Wallace or something at some point... :)

So anyway, this is where I'm at. I think there's enough there to dig a little further and make some progress. But I'm not sure what to do next.

Thanks for your time, all those who choose to help.

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Re: Further Info on Blairgowrie Flinn / Flynn, 1800s

Post by StewL » Mon Sep 29, 2014 6:49 pm

Hello
Welcome to Talking Scots.
It is a bit early here for the brain to work well, but hopefully someone on the forum will come along and will be able to help you!.
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Re: Further Info on Blairgowrie Flinn / Flynn, 1800s

Post by LesleyB » Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:12 pm

hi
Based on what you have already, you should be able to find out a little more about some of these people:
JAMES FLINN first appears at age 13 in the 1851 Scotland Census in Angus, Dunottar, Lintrathen.
Where does it say he was born?
Do you know what happened to James after this date? Did he marry? If so, when? If in Scotland, he would have named his parents at the time of marriage, which may confirm his mother's name.
He is part of a household that is headed by his father PETER FLINN (age 38 in 1851).
Where was Peter born? Is he stated as being a widower in 1851? What is his occupation? Do you know if he survived until after 1855? If so, his death entry may give you more information.
Also in this 1851 census household, there was a woman named Janet Graham (age 52).
What relationship is Janet to the head of the household? What is her given occupation?

Unfortunately, Freecen ( http://www.freecen.org.uk ) does not yet have this area online for 1851, so I am unable to view the household without paying for credits at Scotlands People.

This looks like the family in the 1841 on Freecen but as relationships were not given in 1841, it gives us fewer clues than the 1851 would (note that Peter is stated as born Ireland, so he may be difficult to find with regards to a birth):
FLINN Peter M 25 Male Servant Ireland
FLINN Jane F 30 Angus
FLINN James M 3 Angus
FLINN Alexander M 1 Angus
FLINN William M 20 Ag Lab Ireland

Just guessing from the above1841, Jane could be the wife, with her two children, and William may be a brother to Peter, going from his place of birth, but there is nothing here to confirm these guesses.

Best wishes
Lesley

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Re: Further Info on Blairgowrie Flinn / Flynn, 1800s

Post by LesleyB » Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:24 pm

Catherine Nairn in the 1881 is listed as unmarried, a General Servant Domestic, born Liff, Forfar,

James Flynn is a farm servant and is with his wife Charlotte and seven children, the eldest of whom is 14, so it may be worth checking for a marriage around 15 years before this date.

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Re: Further Info on Blairgowrie Flinn / Flynn, 1800s

Post by notscottishitscrap » Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:31 pm

Thank you for the reply.

Regarding James Flinn:
- He married Charlotte Honey - Mar. 19, 1866 at somewhere called St. Martins
- He then left for Canada some time later and would disappear from Scottish records

Both James Flinn and his father Peter Flinn are listed as "Farm Servant" for the census where they are the head of the household

Peter Flinn - Born in Ireland
James Flinn - Born in Lintrathen, Forfarshire

Peter isn't expressly stated as a widower. I have something that says he died in 1891.

That's what I have in relation to your questions.

I'm not sure how to look up old marriage records as of yet.

As for Janet Graham, I don't have anything for her occupation.

Thanks again.

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Re: Further Info on Blairgowrie Flinn / Flynn, 1800s

Post by LesleyB » Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:57 pm

Hi

You can download digital images of the original census records and the marriage at the Scotlands People web site. It is a pay-per-view site but is very good value for the amount of information which you can glean from these records.

It is not usually possible to make much progress when relying on transcripts - wte wee details like where the marriage took place, who was listed as what in the census etc can make all the differnece between making some progress and hittign a dead end!

St Martins, Perthshire
http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/p ... inschurch/

Best wishes
Lesley

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Re: Further Info on Blairgowrie Flinn / Flynn, 1800s

Post by notscottishitscrap » Wed Oct 01, 2014 12:35 pm

Thanks for the help.

Maybe it's just me but I'm finding ScotlandsPeople rather difficult to search and navigate. I am able to turn up a list of potentially relevant results (probably not useful but possibly so) but then can't advance any further to determine whether a given document is worth the cost of viewing.

Argh... I'll keep plugging away.

Thanks for the St Martins link also. Looks like a genuine old Braveheart-y kind of church indeed!

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Re: Further Info on Blairgowrie Flinn / Flynn, 1800s

Post by alex19canteen » Wed Oct 01, 2014 3:45 pm

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Dunottar, Lintrathen, Forfar, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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