Gotta post .....

[sporran]

Hello Dave,


two searches (thanks Ian and Jean) seem fairly conclusive that the family was in Scotland for 1871. I shall add it to my list of searches to try out the test site for the 1871 census (if it ever arrives - best not to ask).

In the meantime, you could return to 1837online to see if the three family members were born in Lancashire, since the three births around the Tyne still nag me as a coincidence. Alternatively, if you can wait a week or two, I really should search some more in my local Records Office. This has the same fiches as 1837online but faster and free searching, and I can have a quick look for yours.

If you want to take a risk, order one of the birth certificates for £7, but it is a long shot.


Regards,

John

[mesklin]

John

Took the gamble and ordered the birth cert for Sarah Sloan Tynemouth. When it comes, will resolve whether East or West.

Peter and Andrew have Lancs possibles, but have not found a Sarah in Lancs that really fitted.

Time will tell.

Dave

Many thanks for all assistance

[sporran]

Hello Dave,


please let us know the outcome: I hope that your gamble pays off.


Regards,

John

[MaryE]

Hello Dave

I've also looked at the 1871 census for England and can't see any likely candidates for your family. Interestingly, the Peter (1861), Sarah (1864) and Andrew (1865) that Sporran found in South Shields/Tyneside don't seem to be there in 1871 either which perhaps makes it even more likely that they are yours.

The Sarah Ann Sloan born Dec quarter 1865 on FreeBMD is part of the family of Edward Sloan (37), Mary (34), John (12), James (8), Sarah (5) and Peter (4 months) in 1871, all born Manchester so it doesn't look as if this Sarah can be yours.

(James is 8 - don't know where that emoticon is coming from - have retyped it several times!)

Mary

[mesklin]

Unfortunately, the later census returns for this lot have birthplace as Lancashire. That makes it somewhat difficult to pin them down.

My line are the most mobile family I've come across. English, Irish and Scots births in a single generation.

I'll get them, though.

Dave

[IanS]

Dave, Who was the father named as on James and Marys (b.1868 and 69 on I.G.I.)death certs pre 1881--also Peters marriage cert?

[mesklin]

Father of Mary (jnr) was William Sloan. Same person as father on Peter Sloan - Christina McTaggart wedding on 31Dec1887.

Mary died same year as birth. Was born at 22 Soulis Street. When Mary (McCulloch)and family living in Riccarton, William was living in Soulis street, Kilmarnock. Broken home, looks like.

Will have to sit down and go through all members methodically (site admin work has distracted me for past few months) and see if any more can be extracted from info.

Dave

[JayPee]

... James (8),
...

(James is 8 - don't know where that emoticon is coming from - have retyped it several times!)

Mary

Hi Mary ... one problem with the emoticons is that some sequences of characters you type on your keyboard are interpreted as some of the emoticons. In your case, "eight right-bracket" is interpreted as a signal to insert the emoticon. To avoid this, you can insert a space between the '8' and the ')', or turn on the "Disable BBCode in this post" check-box before submitting your message; this shoud result in what you intend: "( 8 )"

- JayInaPee

[MaryE]

Hi JayPee

Many thanks for that. After I'd posted it occurred to me that it was probably a keystroke sequence but by then it was very late and my brain just wasn't functioning!

Hi Dave

It doesn't look as if William and Mary were in England all that long after Andrew's birth if they were back in Ayrshire for the birth of Mary (1868) and James (1869) as per the IGI. There are no births for them on the IGI between their marriage in 1859 in Ayrshire and the birth of Peter in 1863 in England which suggests that they could have moved to England soon after the marriage and had children there before Peter. If there were any such children they could well have left home before the 1881 census. Do you know of any earlier ones?

Mary

[mesklin]

Mary

William Sloan and Mary McCulloch had William (jnr) in 1859 in Scotland. William(jnr) went on to have at least 8 children with Mary Aird.

Thus the English episode must lie between 1859 and 1869, when James was born in Scotland.

This was the first family expedition down South. There was a second family move South (which I am still trying to connect up). I suppose I am the third family group to do so. It's a good job I am keeping note, because group 3 (us!) is even more complex than the other two.

Genealogists to come! You have been warned

Dave