Irish immigrants

[crayspond]

Hi Elwyn,

I never did have a copy of the marriage cert i only had the birth of one of the children which cost me 4 pounds at the time
This is what i got

Parish/ District URBAN 4 Civil
Date Of Birth 03/11/1880
Date of Baptism 12/11/1880
First name ELLEN
Surname MCFARLANE
Sex Female
Denomination Civil Parish
Fathers Firstname JAMES
Fathers Surname MCFARLANE
Fathers Occupation CAULKER
Mother Firstname JANE
Mother Surname DICKSON
Witness1 Firstname MARGARET
Witness1 Surname STOKES
Witness2 Firstname
Witness2 Surname
Address1 20 GROSVENOR ST
Address2 Belfast
Address3 Belfast
Address4

The witness was Margaret Stokes who was my gt gt grandmother (James McFarlane's mother) she remarried just before they left Glasgow.


I will certainly try and get a copy of the marriage cert with the info you have supplied and let you know

- thanks

Ailsa

[Elwyn 1]

Ailsa,

I see James listed at 24 Grosvenor St in the 1871 Belfast street directory. He was working as a porter. When you get the marriage cert, you may be able to trace a bit further back, at least for his wife’s family.

www.lennonwylie.co.uk/efgcomplete1877.htm

Lennon Wylie have put certain years on line, but PRONI have paper copies of the street directories for nearly every year, so it is possible to check exactly how long someone stayed at an address.


Elwyn

[crayspond]

Hi Elwyn,

I have seen the entrant for him at 24 Grosvenor St in the Belfast St directory - thanks. I have posted off the application for the photocopy for the marriage - fingers crossed. It now costs 6 euros for a copy but still will be worth it.
I wonder if you can see any entries for a marriage between a Robert Young and Mary Jane Cosgrove (that was her previous married name) her maiden name is Bruce. My husband's grandmother was born in Belfast to these parents but although we know about Mary Jane i have found Robert Young to be harder to find. The birth is registered 6/3/1906 in urban no 5 address 44 Boyd St.There is also a sister 2 years older than Sarah so maybe looking at around 1900 for a marriage. I have Mary Jane on the 1911 census as a widow at 17 Boyd St.
Thanks for your help,

Ailsa

[Elwyn 1]

I think you’ll find the photocopy of the marriage cert will still only cost you €4. I know it says €6 on the website but if you provide them with all the details they need and they don’t have to do any searching, they knock €2 off. They don’t tell you that, but I order certs from them all the time, and €4 is what I paid just a few days ago. The copy should be with you in about 10 days.

I have a probable match for Robert Young’s marriage to Mary Jane Cosgrove in 1903 on Ancestry Ireland. His father’s name was Robert, hers was Henry. (Does that fit?).

www.ancestryireland.com/

I can find a likely entry for Mary Jane Cosgrove’s marriage on the LDS Beta site (Belfast Jan – Mar 1903, Volume 1, page 280) but I can’t find the matching Robert Young entry to confirm it’s the right event. So you can either buy the Ancestry Ireland transcript which should cost £4 or hope that I have picked the right marriage and order a photocopy of the cert from GRO Roscommon, as before.

Elwyn

[crayspond]

Hi Elwyn,

That would be good if they only charged me 4 euros as i would definitely use them again.
You are correct that Mary Jane's father was Henry Bruce - a few years ago i paid familyUlster for info regarding her first marriage to James Cosgrove 21/12/1889 at St Patricks RC church in Belfast.

I also found while looking at my notes details of a marriage to Robert Young 2/2/1903 so i am sure it is the same person. They must have only been married a few years before he died. Their daughter (my husand's Gran) Sarah Young used to say she was put into a convent from an early age. Not sure what happened to the sister Lizzie.

Do you know if it is possible to see a marriage between a Phillip Purcell and Mary Cahill ?- this is another couple married in Ireland and the offspring travelled to Scotland

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

Regards
Ailsa

[Elwyn 1]

Ailsa,

What date (very roughly) for the Prurcell - Cahill marriage?

Elwyn

[crayspond]

Hi Elwyn,

On John Purcell's marriage cert in Glasgow in 1864 he is age 25 where it states name of mother and father it says Phillip Purcell shoemaker deceased and Mary Purcell m.s Cahill deceased. Roughly deducting 25 - 30 years from that date would be round about 1834 - 1840. We know from poor records they originated in the Kilkenny area.

Thanks,

Ailsa

[Elwyn 1]

Ailsa,

Statutory recording of RC marriages only started in 1864 so you won’t find a marriage in the GRO records. Prior to that date you have to rely on church records where they have survived. You can see what RC parish records survive, and where they are held, on the attached website:

http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/brow ... es/rcmaps/

Rootsireland has one match for a Philip (spelled with one L) Purcell and Mary Cahill marriage in Co Kilkenny in 1832. It’ll cost you €5 to view it.

http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/index.php

Elwyn

[crayspond]

Thanks Elwyn,

I had a thought that might be the case -I should have remembered that - for a long time i was engrossed in the Irish sites a few years ago, then i went off on a tangent to a Scottish GGfather emigrated to the US. Things have changed even in that few years as regards website etc.
My aim was to gather all the info on mine and my husband's Irish connections then go on holiday to Ireland with at least a basic idea where to go to look for family etc. Do you know what info would be on the marriage cert for Philip and Mary in 1832 ?

Regards,
Ailsa

[Elwyn 1]

Ailsa,

Judging by other RC parish records I have seen from that era, it will be just the couples and the 2 witnesses names. You might get their townlands (addresses), but probably not. I very much doubt you’ll get their parents.

Except for the Dublin area, there are few RC parish records before the 1820s and so you may now be as far back as you are going to get. You’ll know what parish they came from so I suppose you could try a gravestone search, if you visited, but being realistic, a lot of people couldn’t afford gravestones and it may not be very productive. (It was that poverty that forced most to leave Ireland in the first place).


Elwyn