I was at the Mitchell a couple of years ago, but as I recall they only had microfilm of Glasgow newspapers, and I suspect those adverts would have been in east coast newspapers. I'll be in Glasgow next month, and I am planning to spend a day at the Mitchell.
I can't remember where I saw the index of names mentioned in the British chaplaincy records. Maybe on Ancestry.com.
But there would seem to be more records for foreign churches in St. Petersburg available now - on microfilm, though - see:
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library ... umns=*,0,0
Scots in nineteenth century Russia
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lemonstraw
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Hey David
Thanks for the information, ive just noticed your from Denmark, are you just coming through to go to the library or are you having a holiday in sunny Glasgow ?
Im not sure how far on you are with your family tree, but have you tried a great wee website called scotfamtree ??? its free for teir 1 members or £8 for a years membership on teir 2, the people on the forum are fantastic i have had loads and loads of help from them well worth the £8, i only joined last month and the information that they have supplied well out weighs the money i paid.
Thanks for the information, ive just noticed your from Denmark, are you just coming through to go to the library or are you having a holiday in sunny Glasgow ?
Im not sure how far on you are with your family tree, but have you tried a great wee website called scotfamtree ??? its free for teir 1 members or £8 for a years membership on teir 2, the people on the forum are fantastic i have had loads and loads of help from them well worth the £8, i only joined last month and the information that they have supplied well out weighs the money i paid.
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David Douglas
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No, I haven't got to the stage yet where I go on trips for purely genealogical purposes! My wife and kids do not at all share my interest in genealogy. Danish schools also have a weeks' holiday in October, so we're going over to visit my parents. I can probably spend a day on my own doing research, though I might go to Edinburgh instead, maybe the National Archives. I think they have microfilms of most newspapers, though if they're not indexed it could be very time-consuming. I've been hoping Ancestry.com would increase their collection of Scottish newspapers.
About half of my ancestry is from the area covered by the Mitchell's microfilms (west coast), but the other half is east coast.
I had a look at that site you mentioned, but it seems strange to have to pay to access a bulletin board - especially when they have so much - and so obtrusive - advertising.
About half of my ancestry is from the area covered by the Mitchell's microfilms (west coast), but the other half is east coast.
I had a look at that site you mentioned, but it seems strange to have to pay to access a bulletin board - especially when they have so much - and so obtrusive - advertising.
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Currie
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Hello David,
Finding an advertisement offering jobs in Russia or similar is unlikely to be an easy matter.
There are four online Scottish Newspapers for the 1840s/50s/60s period. The Scotsman at http://archive.scotsman.com/ and the Glasgow Herald, Caledonian Mercury (Edinburgh) and Aberdeen Journal (& many other UK newspapers) at http://newspapers.bl.uk/blcs/
With the latter site you can narrow the search down to specific newspapers and filter the results to only show advertisements or whatever. The snippets in the free search results will probably be large enough to give you a good idea of whether the particular item is relevant.
The hard part would be deciding what search terms to use because you will get very many results if you just settle for Russia. I’ve had a bit of a look. It’s likely to be very time consuming. Googling and Googling books can often be more useful in this sort of situation.
It may be better to have a go at the free search at the British Newspapers site from home and possibly pick up what you want without having to travel anywhere specifically searching for it. If you do see anything that may be relevant but not sure enough to pay out the cash for a subscription you could post the details on the forum and maybe someone could check the full wording for you.
You could check out all your ancestors as well. It’s probably not a good idea to jump into a paid subscription before you’re fully familiar with the site and how the search works.
All the best,
Alan
Finding an advertisement offering jobs in Russia or similar is unlikely to be an easy matter.
There are four online Scottish Newspapers for the 1840s/50s/60s period. The Scotsman at http://archive.scotsman.com/ and the Glasgow Herald, Caledonian Mercury (Edinburgh) and Aberdeen Journal (& many other UK newspapers) at http://newspapers.bl.uk/blcs/
With the latter site you can narrow the search down to specific newspapers and filter the results to only show advertisements or whatever. The snippets in the free search results will probably be large enough to give you a good idea of whether the particular item is relevant.
The hard part would be deciding what search terms to use because you will get very many results if you just settle for Russia. I’ve had a bit of a look. It’s likely to be very time consuming. Googling and Googling books can often be more useful in this sort of situation.
It may be better to have a go at the free search at the British Newspapers site from home and possibly pick up what you want without having to travel anywhere specifically searching for it. If you do see anything that may be relevant but not sure enough to pay out the cash for a subscription you could post the details on the forum and maybe someone could check the full wording for you.
You could check out all your ancestors as well. It’s probably not a good idea to jump into a paid subscription before you’re fully familiar with the site and how the search works.
All the best,
Alan
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fionamurray
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I think you have to pay because they have lots and lots of look ups, and I would imagine that these cost real cash. They're no use to me as I've done as much of my tree in Scotland as I can, as I've been doing it for years, but I have a freind there who subscribes and swears by it. She's found out stuff that no other site would have found for her without the subscriptions they have. I've also never seen any obtrusive advertising?? And to tell you the truth, I don't think I've even noticed any advertising??Maybe that's cos I have adblocker?? You should try it!David Douglas wrote:
I had a look at that site you mentioned, but it seems strange to have to pay to access a bulletin board - especially when they have so much - and so obtrusive - advertising.
best wishes
Fiona
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lemonstraw
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fionamurray wrote:I think you have to pay because they have lots and lots of look ups, and I would imagine that these cost real cash. They're no use to me as I've done as much of my tree in Scotland as I can, as I've been doing it for years, but I have a freind there who subscribes and swears by it. She's found out stuff that no other site would have found for her without the subscriptions they have. I've also never seen any obtrusive advertising?? And to tell you the truth, I don't think I've even noticed any advertising??Maybe that's cos I have adblocker?? You should try it!David Douglas wrote:
I had a look at that site you mentioned, but it seems strange to have to pay to access a bulletin board - especially when they have so much - and so obtrusive - advertising.
best wishes
Fiona
I totally agree with your friend Fiona, its a fantastic site, and its not just a bulletin board, the people on the website have given me so much help when ive been stuck and unable to find the answers, they have even got me certificates from Scotlands People when ive been unable to find them myself, (and at 5 credits per certificate its not cheap)
Ive never seen any obtrusive advertising and i use the site almost daily.
Regards
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David Douglas
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Re: Scots in nineteenth century Russia
It's been a while, but I have some new information about the community in St. Petersburg. I've just been at the London Metropolitan Archives, which have records of the British community in St. Petersburg. I had been wondering how the outbreak of the Crimean War had affected them. In Inventories & catalogue, and an index to the records of the British Factory at St. Petersburg, being a summary of events and decisions in St. Petersburg 1832-75 ( a hand-written Minutes book), I read that on the outbreak of war, the tsar assured the British community of his protection, and made a point of attending an Anglican service in their church, along with his three sons. British subjects in the service of the tsar were recommended to resign. Otherwise, little seems to have changed. One month after the war started, they note that they had been able to send a copy of the most recent BMDs to London, so obviously they weren't completely cut off.
There had earlier been comments in the books that the British government wished that all births, marriages and deaths of British subjects there be recorded by the British Factory, but accepted that this could not be enforced. Although my ancestors had three children born there in the 1850s, they are not recorded in the British chaplaincy books.
I have also discovered that the local landowners, the Shairp family of the Houstoun estate in Uphall were active in St. Petersburg for several generations. One of them was the British Consul General there. My ancestors must have been hired in West Lothian. Maybe they just wanted Scottish servants over there.
There had earlier been comments in the books that the British government wished that all births, marriages and deaths of British subjects there be recorded by the British Factory, but accepted that this could not be enforced. Although my ancestors had three children born there in the 1850s, they are not recorded in the British chaplaincy books.
I have also discovered that the local landowners, the Shairp family of the Houstoun estate in Uphall were active in St. Petersburg for several generations. One of them was the British Consul General there. My ancestors must have been hired in West Lothian. Maybe they just wanted Scottish servants over there.