Finding a Grave for James & Jane Allan

[greenshed]

Hi

I am new to this site and would welcome any assistance in locating a grave for James Allan and his wife Jane Allan (nee Rutherford.

James died after the 1851 census when he was located at Farnoughty, but before the 1861 census. Jane died also at Farnoughty. There are apparently a range of places where they were interred with Rathven being a prime possibility.

In the 1851 census James is listed as being 68 ( born 1785) with the occupation of "pauper, formerly farm servant" and living at Farnoughty. Jane died 30 May 1861, still living at the same locality along with her daughter Margaret, now married to John Wiseman.

Scotlandspeople site has not been able to assist us with James' death and it is suspected that because he was listed as a pauper, his grave may not have been marked.

Any assistance would be most welcome.

[Currie]

Hello Greenshed, and Welcome to TalkingScot.

Farnoughty was also spelt Farnaughty it seems. According to the FamilySearch Wiki deaths pre 1855 were recorded for only a few years in the 1700’s in the parish of Rathven. https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki ... ,_Scotland

That leaves monumental inscriptions and a pauper would be most unlikely to have one those. The same would apply to a newspaper obituary. Some accidental deaths made the newspapers if they were considered newsworthy. The only time Farnaughty made the news appears to have been in the 1820's when a weaver from there was advertised as being an agent for a bleachfield.

This site has some MIs for the region. It includes Rathven Old Kirkyard. There are a couple of Farnaughty families there. I don’t know if that’s a complete record. http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/sheena_charles/miarchive.htm

All the best,
Alan

[greenshed]

Hi Allan

Thanks for your reply.

I had already found the following listing from your link:

"(117) In memory of John Allan, Farnaughty, and his two sons, John and George. By his wife and daughter, M. M. Allen. The above Marg. Allen is also intered here."

As you can see, there are no dates mentioned, and we have not found a son by the name of George. There is a son called John, born 1782. No death date or cemetery has yet been located.
I am also aware that James Allan is an often used name and in fact his father and Grandfather were named the same. The other confusion is over the statement about "his wife and daughter". Yes, daughter was named Margaret, but his wife was Jane.

I don't know if there is someone in the vicinity who could look at the site? I live in NZ so I am reliant on a local to assist me.

Thanks
Ian

[Moray_Lass]

Sorry Ian, I didn't recognise Farnaughty as a local place until Alan mentioned Sheena and Charle's website.

I doubt visiting will further you as I have gravestones lacking in dates too. One possiblity is the local Heritage Centre who have allot of burial details which you can narrow down your dates. They have an excellent website with more getting added all the time
http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp

If you want to see if you can find anything on there and if there isn't I can go in and look at the burial microfisch. They also have a card index of inscriptions, which I suspect is what you have.

The situation with parishes around here is complicated, you might want to look at Enzie as well as parts of Rathven and Bellie, became a 'quoad sacra' parish of Enzie.
http://www.abdnet.co.uk/genuki/BAN/Enzie/index.html

Hope that gives you some more to go on, and I can nip into the Heritage Centre sometime I the next few weeks if you need me

[greenshed]

Thank you for these links. I have looked at both already but was not able to gleen anything new.

The real challenge it appears is to find the correct cemetery. I have been able to find out any family records that may have been kept and obviously, all the folk who may have assisted have long gone.

What would be the cemetery for Enzie? I have checked Rathven.Bellie is a new one so will see if that has any records.

Any who have time in the area would be welcome to look.

Cheers
Ian

[Moray_Lass]

Hi Ian

I'd say if the MI you found is from the Old Rathven kirkyard, as Alan's post indicates, that is where they would be buried, Enzie doesn't have a centralised one but it does have the catholic grounds, though again that might not be relevant.

I am at work just now but I will dig around this weekend and see if I can come up with anything.

[greenshed]

The earlier grave we had found:

"(117) In memory of John Allan, Farnaughty, and his two sons, John and George. By his wife and daughter, M. M. Allen. The above Marg. Allen is also intered here."

appears to be for James's brother, born 1782.

We are still no closer to finding anything for James and his wife Jane.

Thanks all

Ian