Hi folks,
I'm afraid I've not had time to look at this again. Sadly, my Mum passed away on 4th June so I'm still in a wee bit of a state. Will get back to it as soon as I can.
Caroline
Mulgrew/Milgrew emigration to Canada
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Re: Mulgrew/Milgrew emigration to Canada
So sorry to hear that, Caroline 
I've been through it myself and know how hard it is. Take your time to heal, we'll still be here!
All the best,
Sarah
I've been through it myself and know how hard it is. Take your time to heal, we'll still be here!All the best,
Sarah
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Hi again folks,
Well with many thanks to a member on here, John Fremont, I now have the Death Certificate in 1965 for the elusive James Mulgrew or Milgrew or even known as McKay!! For some reason, he was using his mother's maiden name as his own surname. I have ideas about that and I think he was either naughty and "married" Margaret Larway while he was still married to his "first" wife, Agnes Laurie, or he didn't want his "first" wife to find him! Margaret signed his Death Certificate as Margaret McKay. The DC also states that he had been in Canada for 45 years which puts the date of arrival in Canada as c.1920 but only in BC since c.1946. John very kindly looked for Margaret's death but couldn't find it. I've tried google searches for a possible memorial for James just in case it mentioned his wife or other family members but no luck.
So now my brick wall is did he actually physically marry Margaret (even though not legally), and, if so, it is likely to be outwith Scotland as I can't find a marriage McKay-Larway or Mulgrew-Larway here. Most likely after that is obviously England or Canada. And after that I do wonder if he and Margaret had any children? Mind you, it's likely that they are called McKay and not Mulgrew!
More searching to be done!
Caroline
Well with many thanks to a member on here, John Fremont, I now have the Death Certificate in 1965 for the elusive James Mulgrew or Milgrew or even known as McKay!! For some reason, he was using his mother's maiden name as his own surname. I have ideas about that and I think he was either naughty and "married" Margaret Larway while he was still married to his "first" wife, Agnes Laurie, or he didn't want his "first" wife to find him! Margaret signed his Death Certificate as Margaret McKay. The DC also states that he had been in Canada for 45 years which puts the date of arrival in Canada as c.1920 but only in BC since c.1946. John very kindly looked for Margaret's death but couldn't find it. I've tried google searches for a possible memorial for James just in case it mentioned his wife or other family members but no luck.
So now my brick wall is did he actually physically marry Margaret (even though not legally), and, if so, it is likely to be outwith Scotland as I can't find a marriage McKay-Larway or Mulgrew-Larway here. Most likely after that is obviously England or Canada. And after that I do wonder if he and Margaret had any children? Mind you, it's likely that they are called McKay and not Mulgrew!
More searching to be done!
Caroline
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Well the plot thickens!
I now think that Margaret's maiden surname was not Larway but Ramsay or Ramsey! So she was using different names too!
On the advice of John on this Forum, I contacted Vancouver Library for an Obituary Search for James Mulgrew/Milgrew/McKay and they emailed me back with the details giving his name on it as James McKay stating that he was survived by his wife, Margaret, 4 step-children with the surname Bailey and 1 son in Scotland (who I knew about). One of the step-children is the informant on another Death Certificate that I gratefully received from John who wondered if she was "my" Margaret McKay - and so she is! The Obituary has now helped me to trace the deaths now of 3 of the step-children in British Columbia, sadly one died in a fire in a Hotel at the age of 43 . Strangely, I can't find the death of the informant on Margaret's Death Certificate but as it appears they were all born in Winnipeg, Manitoba (the 3 I've found anyway) then he may possibly have returned there. The Death Certificate of the son who died in the fire stated that his mother's name was "Margaret Ramsay" and I have found a marriage in 1923 in Winnipeg between a Charles James Bailey and Margaret Christina Ramsey both born in England (although she must have been very young!)
Looks like I'll never find out why they were both using different names but I have found that there looks like there are no Mulgrew relatives from this line in Canada which I thought there may be at the start of my search.
Caroline
I now think that Margaret's maiden surname was not Larway but Ramsay or Ramsey! So she was using different names too!
On the advice of John on this Forum, I contacted Vancouver Library for an Obituary Search for James Mulgrew/Milgrew/McKay and they emailed me back with the details giving his name on it as James McKay stating that he was survived by his wife, Margaret, 4 step-children with the surname Bailey and 1 son in Scotland (who I knew about). One of the step-children is the informant on another Death Certificate that I gratefully received from John who wondered if she was "my" Margaret McKay - and so she is! The Obituary has now helped me to trace the deaths now of 3 of the step-children in British Columbia, sadly one died in a fire in a Hotel at the age of 43
. Strangely, I can't find the death of the informant on Margaret's Death Certificate but as it appears they were all born in Winnipeg, Manitoba (the 3 I've found anyway) then he may possibly have returned there. The Death Certificate of the son who died in the fire stated that his mother's name was "Margaret Ramsay" and I have found a marriage in 1923 in Winnipeg between a Charles James Bailey and Margaret Christina Ramsey both born in England (although she must have been very young!)Looks like I'll never find out why they were both using different names but I have found that there looks like there are no Mulgrew relatives from this line in Canada which I thought there may be at the start of my search.
Caroline
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Hello Caroline,
I’ve probably lost the thickening plot but here’s a 1959 death in Winnipeg of a Charles James Bailey, age 70,
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=D9 ... iley&hl=en
And here’s a nice picture of the daughter of the wrong James Mulgrew. They were from Dumbarton. I’ll post it as someone from their lot is sure to eventually Google their way here. http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=2E ... grew&hl=en
All the best,
Alan
I’ve probably lost the thickening plot but here’s a 1959 death in Winnipeg of a Charles James Bailey, age 70,
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=D9 ... iley&hl=en
And here’s a nice picture of the daughter of the wrong James Mulgrew. They were from Dumbarton. I’ll post it as someone from their lot is sure to eventually Google their way here. http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=2E ... grew&hl=en
All the best,
Alan
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Hi Alan,
Thank you for these links.
Such a shame that "Margaret Mulgrew" is not mine !
It's likely that this "Charles James Bailey" is the husband of my "Margaret with many names", however, we'll probably never know for definite. One day, I may find descendants of James' son here in Scotland and perhaps they will know why they kept up all this deception but possibly not.
It's been really interesting finding out about this particular branch of the "Mulgrew/Milgrew" family and I'm so thankful to the people who have helped me on here. I'm also so glad that British Columbia have most of their records on-line so we could get info quicker than in other areas. Vancouver Library was also very helpful and quick with an answer to my query.
On another note, I did get a message from the daughter of one of the other Mulgrew brothers on A/try many years ago but I didn't see it until ages after she had posted it and can't reply to her anyway as I don't have an A/try subscription. A/try shows her email address but sadly she used her work's email system (in the States) and I can't find her as she is obviously also using another name (possibly married name) as it's a real estate company and they have all their agents on their website!
Regards,
Caroline
Thank you for these links.
Such a shame that "Margaret Mulgrew" is not mine
!It's likely that this "Charles James Bailey" is the husband of my "Margaret with many names", however, we'll probably never know for definite. One day, I may find descendants of James' son here in Scotland and perhaps they will know why they kept up all this deception but possibly not.
It's been really interesting finding out about this particular branch of the "Mulgrew/Milgrew" family and I'm so thankful to the people who have helped me on here. I'm also so glad that British Columbia have most of their records on-line so we could get info quicker than in other areas. Vancouver Library was also very helpful and quick with an answer to my query.
On another note, I did get a message from the daughter of one of the other Mulgrew brothers on A/try many years ago but I didn't see it until ages after she had posted it and can't reply to her anyway as I don't have an A/try subscription. A/try shows her email address but sadly she used her work's email system (in the States) and I can't find her as she is obviously also using another name (possibly married name) as it's a real estate company and they have all their agents on their website!
Regards,
Caroline
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It's me again.
Finally now been in touch with the girl I mentioned above from the States. She is the granddaughter of the youngest of the 15 Mulgrew/Milgrew children who was born in 1909, although yet again her father (my mother's first cousin) also thought that there were 17 children!! And, after looking at some of the newer Glasgow Postal Directories on-line (1941-42), I have spotted an "F Mulgrew" staying at one of the addresses used by the family but I have never found anyone with the initial F as yet. The search goes on!
Finally now been in touch with the girl I mentioned above from the States. She is the granddaughter of the youngest of the 15 Mulgrew/Milgrew children who was born in 1909, although yet again her father (my mother's first cousin) also thought that there were 17 children!! And, after looking at some of the newer Glasgow Postal Directories on-line (1941-42), I have spotted an "F Mulgrew" staying at one of the addresses used by the family but I have never found anyone with the initial F as yet. The search goes on!