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catbug
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American equivalent of Scotland's People? .....

Post by catbug » Sat Jun 11, 2005 6:45 pm

Hello,

I wondered if anyone could tell me if there is an American equivalent to the Scotland's People website or any sort of official American records site that can be accessed through the internet? I'm specifically looking for a death record and passenger lists.

I have been researching my family history for a couple of years now and have got on fine with most of it using SP, barring a few elusive people! However I have been totally unsuccessful in finding a particular ancestor's death record both on the SP site and freeBDM no matter how hard I have tried. I assumed he died in Scotland as that is where he was born and lived with his family but yesterday I came across an entry in the 1880 US census by chance and all the details it contains about him seem to fit. I cannot be completely sure it is who I'm looking for but it seems likely. His name was William Manderson and was born around 1824 and it looks as if he might have emigrated, with 3 of his younger sons, to Massachusetts after his wife died (so sometime between 1873 and 1880). His sons were also on the census entry and their details fit in with the details I already had about them. His older children stayed in Scotland and I have located their marriages, deaths, etc. I cannot be completely sure he settled where in Essex, Massachusetts (the location on the census), or indeed if this is even the right person, but I think it might be a good place to look.

I have tried searching the net myself but every site that looks like it might be hopeful keeps linkng back to the Ancestry.com site. I have no idea if this site is any good and if it actually contains official records or just public submissions and I don't really want to pay the $20 - $100 it's asking for before I find out. If anyone could recommend any good sites or has any feedback about the previous site I mentioned it would be much appreciated as I know there are a lot of dodgy sites out there and I don't want to end up with wrong information and/or being conned out of all my money!

Thanks,

Cat :D

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Post by marilyn morning » Sat Jun 11, 2005 11:08 pm

Hi Cat

Welcome to TalkingScot! If William Manderson, passed away in the State of Massachusetts pre 1910 then his death record will be recorded with the Massachusetts State Archives. Your next step would be to contact the archives and request the lookup of his death. The cost is very reasonable, only 50 cents each. So to begin with I would suggest to send them a check for $5 (10 looks). Included in the price is the cost of the "photo copy"

http://www.sec.state.ma.us/arc/arcidx/htm
Massachusetts State Archives
220 Morrissey Boulevard
Boston, Massachusetts 02108 USA

In the event William passed post 1910 then contact the Massachusetts Vital Records Office.
http://www.mass.gov/dph/bhsre/rvr/rvr.htm

Passenger Lists for New England are stored at the National Archives
National Archives-Boston Branch
380 Trapelo Road
Waltham, Ma 02154

Lastly, here is a Massachusetts Genealogy Guide Website
www.genealogyforum.com

Good Luck
Marilyn
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Re: American equivalent of Scotland's People?

Post by JustJean » Sun Jun 12, 2005 2:41 pm

Hi there Catbug
catbug wrote: I wondered if anyone could tell me if there is an American equivalent to the Scotland's People website or any sort of official American records site that can be accessed through the internet?
Once you get used to Scotland records it's easy to get spoiled.... :cry:

You mention that William may have emigrated with 3 sons......yet the census data only shows two....James and Alex along with William. Is there a third one I missed?....and If so do you have his name?

Unfortunately the 1890 US census exists only in tattered fragments and MA ain't one of 'em :cry: ......so......jumping to 1900 Census I can find no trace of William or his sons. Interestingly though there is a William J. Manderson born MA abt 1882 that pops up in later census records and by 1930 is living in Methuen with wife Carrie and mother Rachael. Rachael was born Canada and is a widow. Any chance William might have married again....or even James for that matter and then died before 1900? Just speculation at this point and only enough information to be maddening. I'll keep looking but seem to still be lacking the magical missing link.....

Oh yeah...as for online immigration records....the available Boston ones begin too late to pick up the 1873-1880 time frame for now....perhaps someday that will change.....

Sorry for not being more help.....if you think of any little clues that might help just shout 'em out!!

Best wishes
Jean

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Post by catbug » Sun Jun 12, 2005 4:36 pm

Hello!

Thanks for the welcome and such a quick response, it's much appreciated!

Marilyn,

Thank you for the links to the various websites, I'll definitely give them a go later today. I'll hopefully find out the information I need using these so they're very helpful.

Jean,

Sorry, it was only 2 sons he may have emigrated with, not 3. There was another Scottish person in the same household so I think I got that muddled up in my mind and I didn't double check it before I wrote the message :oops: I don't think that the William born in MA c.1882 would be my William's son as he had a son back in Dundee called William who didn't die until 1903. It's still a possibility though, although probably more likely that he is related in another way, like you suggested, if at all. It is interesting that there is no sign of them in the 1900 - poses even more of a mystery!

Unfortunately I don't have any more details about William as I don't know his parent's names because I can't find his birth record. I know he was born in Scotland but I don't know where as I can't find him on any censuses other than 1841, which just says outwith county (which was Angus). I also can't find a record of his marriage to Isabella Balmain so I don't know his parents names. I did find a marriage record of Isabella Balmain to William Anderson in 1845, Dundee, which I thought was a huge possibilty, although it is very unlikely it will have any useful information as it was pre 1855. It's all very puzzling but fun at the same time!

Thanks again both of you for your help and information!

Cat

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Post by JustJean » Sun Jun 12, 2005 6:06 pm

Hi Catbug

Based on the names of children in the IGI of William Manderson and Isabella Balmain and the location of Isabella at her death in 1873.....don't you think this 1871 census entry could be your family???

1871 MANDERSON ALEXANDER M 7 ST CLEMENT DUNDEE CITY ANGUS 282/03 028/03 016

and if so.....it appears that William was born in Edinburgh.....

Best wishes
Jean

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Post by catbug » Sun Jun 12, 2005 8:15 pm

Hi again Jean,

That could well be the entry I've been looking for - thanks! That was very kind of you to offer your time and assistance. I don't have a clue how I've managed to miss it so far :? I looked for it when the 1871 census first came online but couldn't find it after wasting lots of credits so I assumed it had been misindexed and I gave up. I'll go and buy some credits and look for it on the SP site now.

Thanks once more for your help,

Cat

edit: Just my luck - find something that might be helpful and the site's down, lol :lol: