Assisted Emigration To NSW in 1877 .....

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Assisted Emigration To NSW in 1877 .....

Post by grannysrock » Thu Dec 01, 2005 8:33 pm

Hello everyone

Last night I found a record or two at
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/ ... 96_366.asp :)

I am nigh convinced that a couple who emigrated in 1877 are related to me. ( Stephen Syme and wife Agnes Drummond)

The only thing against them are the ages ... a bit too young ( Stephen's age indexed as 40, when would have been 48/49 , Agnes' age out by similar margin) :?

3 questions :?:
- was their an upper age limit for assisted immigration that might explain this age discrepancy?
- would ordering a copy of the actual record give me enough info to determine whether these were my rellies?
- is there a cheaper way to get a copy than quoted on the above site ?

Now I also spotted a death cert for what I assume to be the same Stephen in 1880 on http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/search.htm

- the father's name is correct, the mother's isn't on the
index.

Would the actual death record name both his parents ?

( other evidence pointing to these being my relatives ?
- on the above site , are the 1875 assisted emigration records of a John and Ann Syme and infant son Stephen - ages all matching up to the above Stephen's son John, his wife Ann Terris and their son Stephen , born 1874 .
- No sign of Stephen or Agnes' death in Scotland
- I feel lucky :wink: )

Any advice on ways I could prove/disprove this connection would be gratefully appreciated

Sally
Newhaven-DRYBURGH,NICOLL,HUNTER(+Alloa) ; Lesmahagow-MITCHELL,LAMB, BARR, BROWN,CALLAN; Comrie-MCDOUGALL, MCEWEN, MCLAREN, BRYSON; BEW - PRINGLE, FISHER,SPENCE;Edzell-MIDDLETON,DORWARD;
Edin.-JOHNSTON, MONTGOMERY;Fife-SIME, FORRESTER, WANLESS

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Post by trish1 » Mon Dec 26, 2005 4:26 am

There was, I believe an "Upper limit" for age on assisted immigration. I can't remember where I read about same - but I know some of my immigrant families lied about their age.

There may/may not be any more information about the family on the shipping list. Sometimes it will state where the family came from, but sometimes not. The shipping dates are usually given and the folks are usually in family groups.

If the NSW BDM index does not contain a parent name (mother or father) this usually means it is missing on the certificate. Being a death certificate, the informant probably didn't know the name. NSW death certificates, do contain much information IF the informant knew the details, they will include wife, when married, name and age of living children, length of time in each state of Australia.

For both the shipping information and the BDM certificate information, the cheapest option is to use a transcription agent. Also usually the quickest option as they send information via email. I use Laurie Turtle, but I think they all charge the same & provide much the same service.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory ... ptionAgent

There are a large number of children born to a John and Ann Syme in the Newcastle area of NSW. (1876 to 1888). Given that your Stephen died in Newcastle, this could well be your man. There is also a death for Agnes - father John, mother unknown, in 1886 at Wallsend. This is also a Newcastle surburb.

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Belated thankyou

Post by grannysrock » Wed Jan 04, 2006 10:48 pm

Trish - thankyou for replying - I'm sorry I have been away for a bit and have just seen your post tonight .

I will do as you suggest - I think the death cert info would be very useful to me. Even if it could just confirm the spouse that should do the trick.

(I have since found a scan of a shipping record at
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au for the Stephen/ Agnes - but that doesn't have the ages on - so it must be a different record to the one on the assisted immigrants index. ???)

I will let you know how I get on.

Thanks again
Sally
Newhaven-DRYBURGH,NICOLL,HUNTER(+Alloa) ; Lesmahagow-MITCHELL,LAMB, BARR, BROWN,CALLAN; Comrie-MCDOUGALL, MCEWEN, MCLAREN, BRYSON; BEW - PRINGLE, FISHER,SPENCE;Edzell-MIDDLETON,DORWARD;
Edin.-JOHNSTON, MONTGOMERY;Fife-SIME, FORRESTER, WANLESS

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Post by trish1 » Tue Jan 17, 2006 12:03 pm

Hi Sally

I have also been away (still am) and have just seen your reply - hope the certificate is useful

Trish

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Post by grannysrock » Sat Jan 21, 2006 4:57 pm

Hi Trish
I've only ordered it this week - I'll post the results when they come in.

Thanks for your interest

Sally
Newhaven-DRYBURGH,NICOLL,HUNTER(+Alloa) ; Lesmahagow-MITCHELL,LAMB, BARR, BROWN,CALLAN; Comrie-MCDOUGALL, MCEWEN, MCLAREN, BRYSON; BEW - PRINGLE, FISHER,SPENCE;Edzell-MIDDLETON,DORWARD;
Edin.-JOHNSTON, MONTGOMERY;Fife-SIME, FORRESTER, WANLESS

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Success

Post by grannysrock » Tue Jan 31, 2006 7:38 pm

Well I got my transcription of Stephen's death reg back ( I went for transcriptions.com.au in the end ) - and Trish your advice was spot on - Lots of information - very pleased - I won't be so nervous next time.

And it's the right Stephen.
Son John did not remember his granny's name - odd because she (Helen Drummond) didn't die till 1872, whereas his grandpa John Syme seems to have died before 1851 . Stll Stephen's (first) wife's name clinches it .

I have also learnt there was another son , who was deceased by 1880 and that 2 of the 3 daughters were also deceased by 1880. So lots of digging on my Sim/Sime/Syme miners to do.

So are there any descendants of Stephen Syme/ Agnes Graham or John Syme and Ann Terris out there in NSW or in other corners of the earth ?

Another branch added .... :)

Sally
Newhaven-DRYBURGH,NICOLL,HUNTER(+Alloa) ; Lesmahagow-MITCHELL,LAMB, BARR, BROWN,CALLAN; Comrie-MCDOUGALL, MCEWEN, MCLAREN, BRYSON; BEW - PRINGLE, FISHER,SPENCE;Edzell-MIDDLETON,DORWARD;
Edin.-JOHNSTON, MONTGOMERY;Fife-SIME, FORRESTER, WANLESS

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Post by trish1 » Fri Feb 03, 2006 5:56 am

Hi Sally

So glad it all worked & you found the right man! NSW, Qld and Vic indexes/certificates are very like the 1855 Scotland ones - they contain lots of useful information - which is needed because there is no census information available in Australia. If you follow through the NSW index (deaths are available to 1975) you may be able to track your next generation. The other place to try looking is the archives

www.naa.gov.au - they have records for every serviceman in WWI and WWII which include DOB and next of kin. Can be very useful

Trish

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Post by grannysrock » Sat Feb 11, 2006 11:34 am

Trish
www.naa.gov.au - they have records for every serviceman in WWI and WWII which include DOB and next of kin. Can be very useful
- A Great Link Indeed. I have found 22 pages of digitised images of my grandpas's cousin's war records - including a photo - so spooky - he looks just like my grandfather . This Sime was from a later exodus to Oz. , but there was also a possible record for one of the "Syme" family.


Thanks again

Sally
Newhaven-DRYBURGH,NICOLL,HUNTER(+Alloa) ; Lesmahagow-MITCHELL,LAMB, BARR, BROWN,CALLAN; Comrie-MCDOUGALL, MCEWEN, MCLAREN, BRYSON; BEW - PRINGLE, FISHER,SPENCE;Edzell-MIDDLETON,DORWARD;
Edin.-JOHNSTON, MONTGOMERY;Fife-SIME, FORRESTER, WANLESS

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Post by trish1 » Sat Feb 11, 2006 10:17 pm

Hi Sally

Did you notice - If you find a record that hasn't been digitised you can request same online? It seems to be taking 6-8 weeks at the minute to get them done - but it is a free service, so one doesn't complain :D

The archives site gets very slowwww at times - these are two sites where you can check if your relatives served in WWI or WWII - but you still have to go to the archives for the full details

WWI - http://www.awm.gov.au/database/133/index.asp
WWII - http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/

Trish