about Murdo McLeod & Catherine McLean married 1899 Inver

[george]

Hi Andrew,

I found the birth record of Norman McLeod. It´s right your asseveration.

Norman McLeod born 3rd August in 1899 at Urquhart. And now what does the census say?

I believe recognize a tail hangin after 14 (if is 14). Fourteen what?

I´ll try found an ask from SP, Andrew.

Thank you very much for your help.

Best Regards, George

[DavidWW]

Hi Andrew,

I found the birth record of Norman McLeod. It´s right your asseveration.

Norman McLeod born 3rd August in 1899 at Urquhart. And now what does the census say?

I believe recognize a tail hangin after 14 (if is 14). Fourteen what?

I´ll try found an ask from SP, Andrew.

Thank you very much for your help.

Best Regards, George

George

That's the correct record and you'll note that it cross references back to the 1899 marriage !!

The enumerator could have been trying to write 1 1/2 years or 19 or 20 months, - I wouldn't worry too much about it as the link is obviously the correct one.

Davie

[george]

Hi Andrew and David,

The SP asked me. They think that said 1 1/2 or could be 1 3/4.

I understood that I have the right birth and marriage records, but I doubted of the census record. This is important, for me, because The census record is the only reference about where born Murdo McLeod... Stornoway. Different from the LDS record: Murdo McLeod from Carloway in 1870.

Well, now I have 3 candidates in Stornoway in 1870... First I´ll search for free.

Thank you very much and
Best regards, George

[AndrewP]

.... Different from the LDS record: Murdo McLeod from Carloway in 1870.

Well, now I have 3 candidates in Stornoway in 1870... First I´ll search for free.

Only the one in 1870 in Carloway gives you the correct parents. Its appearance on the LDS website is extracted from the records. As is often the case, don't take every detail of the census to be correct. Maybe most of his childhood years were in Stornoway and he regarded that as where he came from. We can only guess at these things.

All the best,

Andrew Paterson

[DavidWW]

George

Believe us

It's the 1870 Carloway record that you want

Davie

[george]

Hi David and Andrew,

I trust you. Really. You are great!

The last Andrew´s message was light in my darkness (nescience), and I'm following your recommendations.

Best regards,
George

[george]

Hi everybody!

I was following the light and it was successfully. Thanks Andrew and David again.

The births record was right!

Murdo McLeod born in Lochs, Carloway in 1870, June 15th. They parents were Norman and Catherine McLeod.

The 1871 Census (dated in April) described the family as:
Norman McLeod, Head, Mar, 40, Fisherman, Ross-shire Lochs
Catherin (without the last e), Wife, 40, do do
John, Son, 13, do do
Mary, Dau, 8, do do
Catherin, Dau, 5, do do
Margaret, Dau, 3, do do
Murdo, Son, 9mo, do do (exactly!!!!)

From LDS
Norman MacLeod and Catherine McKay married in Nov 14th, 1853, Lochs, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland.

The age of the first born confirm 1853 as the marriage year.

But a new problem rose... in SP (in OPR Banns and Marriages) exist:
Norman McLeod and Catharine McKay married in 14/11/1853, Lochs. I assumed that Catharine and Catherine is for the same person. But the problem is don´t exist the image for download only for order.

Somebody knows if is SP thinking of upload these records?
How could I follow my searching without these records?
How could I know the parents?

Best regards,
George

[DavidWW]

.... much snipped.............

Norman McLeod and Catharine McKay married in 14/11/1853, Lochs. I assumed that Catharine and Catherine is for the same person. But the problem is don´t exist the image for download only for order.

Somebody knows if is SP thinking of upload these records?
How could I follow my searching without these records?
How could I know the parents?

Best regards,
George

It is unlikely that the OPR entry will provide much useful info.

A digitised image will come on line at SP in the next year or three, but, as noted elswhere it's unlikely to have any more info than you already know, apart, maybe, from the place(s) of residence at the time of the marriage.

What you need to do now as well, is to start looking for death register entries, - a rich resource in Auld Scotia, as the Scottish records include the names of the spouse(s) and of the parents (as long, of course, as the informant had the information)...... and, from advance knowledge, there is valuable info in the records for you just waiting to be found, but ca' canny, don't spend too many credits before shouting for help ............

Davie

[AndrewP]

Hi George,

As far as I can see, this should be the family in the 1881 census.

• Dwelling: Garabuie Road
  Census Place: Lochs, Ross & Cromarty, Scotland
  Source: FHL Film 0203414 GRO Ref Volume 086-B EnumDist 5 Page 13
  Marr Age Sex Birthplace
  Norman MC LEOD M 50 M Lochs ((N Shawbost)), Ross and Cromarty, Scotland
  Rel: Head
  Occ: Crofter
  Catherine MC LEOD M 49 F Uig, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland
  Rel: Wife
  Occ: Crofter Wife
  Rachel MC LEOD U 20 F Lochs ((N Shawbost)), Ross and Cromarty, Scotland
  Rel: Daur
  Occ: Crofter Daur
  Catherine MC LEOD U 16 F Lochs ((N Shawbost)), Ross and Cromarty, Scotland
  Rel: Daur
  Occ: Crofter Daur
  Murdo MC LEOD 10 M Lochs ((N Shawbost)), Ross and Cromarty, Scotland
  Rel: Son
  Occ: Scholar

I can see no suitable birth on the IGI for Rachel of about 1860.

If this is the correct family, then you should be looking for the death of Catherine MacLeod (maiden surname Mackay) having died between 1881 and 1899 (she was marked as deceased on Murdo's marriage certificate. Given the amount of variation of the spelling of each of her names, you need to be searching for: *ath?rin* M*cLeod (M*Kay), from 1881 to 1899. That produces 14 results.

Quick geography lesson here:
Of the eight in Ross and Cromarty: the districts on the Isle of Lewis are Carloway, Uig (not to be confused with Uig, Skye), Stornoway, Barvas and Lochs. None on the list are Ross and Cromarty, mainland Scotland.

On the 1871 census, her age was given as 40, In 1881, her age was given as 49. These give approximate birth years of 1830 to 1832.

From that list, I would make first choice - 1898, Carloway, aged 69 and second choice - 1892, Carloway, aged 69. The other ones on the Isle of Lewis are further out by age (but should not all be ruled out as ages on census can be inaccurate).

All the best,

Andrew Paterson

[george]

Hi everybody

I´m back. The stress don´t killed me yet.

I was studying map of Lewis and reading Highlanders by John MacLeod. Just now I understand the geography lesson from Andrew. It´s not easy found a right map for Lewis, but NLS is a qreat site for this (www.nls.uk). =D>

Following your recommendations and the McLeod surname, I found the Death record of Norman MacLeod

From de Death Record in the Parish of Stornoway
1) Norman MacLeod, Crofter, (Married to Catherine MacLeod)
2) 1905, March, Ninth, 1h0m PM, Knock, Stornoway
3) Sex: M
4) Age: 73 years
5) Parents: Malcolm MacLeod, Crofter (deceased), Mary MacLeod, MS Maciver (deceased)
6) Qualification of informant: Murdo MacLeod, son, present.

I believe important that he died in Stornoway, but don´t lived there. Because his son Murdo was registered in Carloway.

Next I looked for Malcolm MacLeod in SP. The list was long. 17 candidates. They died in Lochs, Barvas, Stornoway and Uig.

I thought: when the men can´t follow being a crofter due to his age, they moved to town...Stornoway. The reason... an old family house perhaps. So 3 candidates left. But, the hell was opened.

From the Death Record, 1856 in the Parish of Stornoway.
1) Malcolm MacLeod, Co??ar, Married (don´t anymore)
2) 1856, May, Nineteenth, 6 PM, N??ma?? hill
3) Sex: M
4) Age: 60 years
5) Parents: Norman MacLeod, Crofter, Ann MacLeod, MS Mac??ulag(?)
6) Cause of Death: Co????tion, 10 years
7) Qualification of informant: Neil MacLeod, his x mark Brother, not present

Married with who? No declared.
Informant was his brother!!! I don´t know his brothers.

The only remarkable point is the name of his father, Norman. Following the scottish tradition Malcolm named his firt son like his father.

It´s weak. I know. But is my better interpretation or I interpreted a wrong record from wrong parish.

I'll upload the register because a lot of words are not clear for me and should be useful for the interpretation.

http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... p?pos=-219

Somebody can tell me anything about Malcolm and my research?

Best Regards, George