COGANS in Glasgow.....

[Loree]

I hear all kinds of success stories on researchers finding their ancestors in Scotland, but I'm sure running into brick walls, and would appreciate any help and suggestions. I'm in California, USA... so pretty much limited to online searching and the old-fashioned letter writing.

And just to confuse everything, our great-grandfather married his cousin, of the same surname:

MICHAEL COGANS, b. ca 1835, son of John Cogans and Mary Ann O'Rourke (Rouke), married in 1859, CATHERINE COGANS, b. ca 1829, daughter of James Cogans and Ann Cox. Michael and Catherine married at St. Joseph's RC Chapel, Milton, Lanark.

JOHN COGANS and MARY ANN O'ROURKE. John was still alive in 1859; Mary Ann was deceased. I did find a marriage in the OPR, John Cogans and Maryanne Rouk, in Gorbals, Lanark, 3 December 1831. No other information there, except minister, Dr. Lockhart. Mary Ann does not show up in the Statutory Register of deaths.

JAMES COGANS and ANN COX. No marriage found in the OPR. James was deceased by 1859. Do not find his death in the Statutory Register of deaths. Ann Cox remarried. Daughter Catherine Cogans death record lists her mother as ANN CASSIDY, formerly COGANS, M.S. COX. I cannot find the marriage in the Statutory Register of marraiges.

Thanks for any help and/or ideas!

What a great website!
Loree

[LesleyB]

Hi Loree
...and a warm welcome to Talking Scot!

John was still alive in 1859; Mary Ann was deceased. I did find a marriage in the OPR, John Cogans and Maryanne Rouk, in Gorbals, Lanark, 3 December 1831. No other information there, except minister, Dr. Lockhart. Mary Ann does not show up in the Statutory Register of deaths.

When the 1851 census comes online (very soon!! ) it would be worth having a look for John there to see if he is a widower, or if Maryanne is still alive at that point. Also the 1841 census (slightly longer wait.. ) would be worth following up. 1851 would also be worth checking for JAMES COGANS and ANN COX.

Also I wouldn't be surprised if the spelling of "Cogans" is very varied across OPR, SR and census data. You may need to be pretty open minded and creative when searching for them!

Best wishes
Lesley

[nelmit]

I hear all kinds of success stories on researchers finding their ancestors in Scotland, but I'm sure running into brick walls, and would appreciate any help and suggestions. I'm in California, USA... so pretty much limited to online searching and the old-fashioned letter writing.

And just to confuse everything, our great-grandfather married his cousin, of the same surname:

MICHAEL COGANS, b. ca 1835, son of John Cogans and Mary Ann O'Rourke (Rouke), married in 1859, CATHERINE COGANS, b. ca 1829, daughter of James Cogans and Ann Cox. Michael and Catherine married at St. Joseph's RC Chapel, Milton, Lanark.

JOHN COGANS and MARY ANN O'ROURKE. John was still alive in 1859; Mary Ann was deceased. I did find a marriage in the OPR, John Cogans and Maryanne Rouk, in Gorbals, Lanark, 3 December 1831. No other information there, except minister, Dr. Lockhart. Mary Ann does not show up in the Statutory Register of deaths.

JAMES COGANS and ANN COX. No marriage found in the OPR. James was deceased by 1859. Do not find his death in the Statutory Register of deaths. Ann Cox remarried. Daughter Catherine Cogans death record lists her mother as ANN CASSIDY, formerly COGANS, M.S. COX. I cannot find the marriage in the Statutory Register of marraiges.

Thanks for any help and/or ideas!

What a great website!
Loree

Hello Loree,

I don't know if this is yours but an Ann COGAN other surname COX died in Lanarkshire in 1881. It might be worth a look on SP.

You may have this but I think this is Catherine in 1881.

Dwelling: 9 Church Place
Census Place: Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203658 GRO Ref Volume 644-8 EnumDist 55 Page 18
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Kate COGANS W 37 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Cotton Weaver
Catherine COGANS U 20 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Cotton Weaver
Ann COGANS U 17 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Cotton Weaver
Mary COGANS 9 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar


Kind regards,
Annette M

[nelmit]

Later....................

Looks like Mary Ann COGAN or ROURKE died in 1856.

Annette M

[Ina]

Hi Loree,

Welcome to talkingscot. I know you will find lots of helpful people here.

Are you by any chance located in Palm Desert? Think I recognize your name.


Ina
Current AG Chair

[Loree]

Hello Everyone!
Thanks for your responses and help. And welcome!

Lesley - Yes, you're right about the various spellings. Cogans, Cogan, Coggins, and those are the common, sensible ones!! Will be great to have the 1851- and 1841 - census online!

Annette - This is our Catherine in 1881 on Church St. I'll look at SP for that death of Ann Cogan (Cox) in 1881. The other death you mention... Mary Ann Cogans (O'Rourke).... I'm not sure where you're getting that death date of 1856? What am I missing?

Ina - yep! it's me. <grin>

A little more information, and question.... I found I have a paper from the Poor House records. A son of John Cogans and Mary Ann O'Rourke applied for relief in 1866. Among other things, he says his father died five years ago (1860-1861, more or less then.) Also that he lived with his father for 16 years at "Burnbank - Gr. Western Road.) And besides Michael, his brother, he has a sister, Mrs. McMillan of Anderston.

I'm going to take a chance and look for the father John in 1861. What district (or whatever) might Burnbank and/or Great Western Road likely be?

Thanks again.
Loree

[nelmit]

Hello Everyone!
Thanks for your responses and help. And welcome!


Annette - This is our Catherine in 1881 on Church St. I'll look at SP for that death of Ann Cogan (Cox) in 1881. The other death you mention... Mary Ann Cogans (O'Rourke).... I'm not sure where you're getting that death date of 1856? What am I missing?

Loree

Hello Loree,

The spelling of her name is the key.

Mary Ann COGAN or ROURKE

[Jack]

Hi Loree,
These are from the 1851 index - but sorry, no more details [should be online soon...]
and i can't see a suitable John "COGANS" aged abt 50 in Glasgow 1861.
--
1851 cens 644-2 (623-2) Ed 2 p 6 (Glasgow - Maryhill)
John COGANS 41
Maryann COGANS 44
Michael COGANS 18
Catherine COGANS 16
Thomas COGANS 10
John COGANS 7
James COGANS 5
Francis COGANS 1
--
1851 cens 644-2 (623-3) Ed 3 p 4 (Glasgow - Maryhill)
Catherine COGAN 22
James COGAN 18
--
1851 cens 644-2 (623-2) Ed 3 p 13 (Glasgow - Maryhill)
Ann COGANS 46
John COGANS 9
Ann COGANS 7
--
Jack

[Loree]

Annette, Thanks so much for the heads up on the two death records. I'm pretty confident that Mary Ann O'Rourke Cogans is the correct one. Her place of death, Burnbank, is kind of backed up with her son's stated address of 16 years on his Poor House application.

The Ann Cox Cogan is a little trickier, although much of it fits in too. Right husband (James Cogan) and her approximate age. She d. at the Poor house, but her usual address is not anything I've come across before (or yet....). And I wonder what happened to her surname CASSIDY, as shown on her daughter's death.

Just wanted to thank you again. You really helped!!
Loree

[Loree]

Jack wrote:
1851 cens 644-2 (623-2) Ed 2 p 6 (Glasgow - Maryhill)
John COGANS 41
Maryann COGANS 44
Michael COGANS 18
Catherine COGANS 16
Thomas COGANS 10
John COGANS 7
James COGANS 5
Francis COGANS 1

That appears to be my family Jack. barring any contradictions that might come up in the full census.... I have the death record for Francis, who died in 1856, 6y old. The John is about right to fit the John of the Poor House records. Ages of Michael and Thomas, a little off, but John and Mary Ann did have a son Thomas, b. ca 1837, who married Agnes MOONEY in 1858, and of course our Michael. I'll hunt around to see if the Unknown McMillan sister might be Catherine.


1851 cens 644-2 (623-2) Ed 3 p 13 (Glasgow - Maryhill)
Ann COGANS 46
John COGANS 9
Ann COGANS 7
This one fits to be our other Cogans family. Besides their daughter Catherine (our line), I know there was a daughter Ann. Have her marriage in 1865 (21y) to James McWILLIAMS. She lived at Oakbank St. Maryhill.

In 1861, still in Maryhill (can't read address... looks like McSociety Row ??) lived Ann COGAN, widow, 53; John 18, Ann 16 and another son, James, 28 and his wife, Mary.

1851 cens 644-2 (623-3) Ed 3 p 4 (Glasgow - Maryhill)
Catherine COGAN 22
James COGAN 18
Just a guess... the other children of James (dec.) and Ann Cogans....

This has been a very FUN day. Thank you all!

Loree