James Wemyss & Elizabeth Crombie (1829 West Wemyss).....

[JimM]

Hi Melissa
Thre are some reasons here why there may not be any MIs:
http://talkingscot.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4556

Best wishes
Lesley

Hi Lesley
I must have missed this when it was first posted..
Excellent well written piece =D>

Your comments on the emotional aspect struck a chord.... that was something that had not occurred to me until I had experienced it.

Jim

[LesleyB]

Hi Jim
Thanks for your kind comment.

Your comments on the emotional aspect struck a chord.... that was something that had not occurred to me until I had experienced it.

Yes, it caught me by surpise too. Its not something you anticipate at all, it just hits you, at the graveside. I think partly it is an emotional moment because it marks the end of what has sometimes been a long and hard search to find out about a person, their life, their family and even though they are long gone you feel you almost know them by the time you are at the graveside.

Best wishes
Lesley

[LesleyB]

Hi Melissa
Earlier than expected due to an opportunity to pop into the archives, the newspaper report as follows:

Fife Herald 2nd December 1841
no. 1030; p. 163
KIRKCALDY DISTRICT
WEST WEYMSS - Sudden Death - A Sailor, named James Weymss, who had been complaining for sometime back, suddenly dropped down dead in his own house here on Thursday last. He has left a wife and two children.

That is the complete report. Not a great deal of info but it confirms the number of surviving children as the same number found for his household in the 1841 census, which may make it more likely he is your man. And if he is (it looks pretty likely, I reckon) at least you know he died at home.

best wishes
Lesley

[Melmax]

Thankyou, very much Lesley. I think that death date that you found is so important because I may be able to cross reference it one day.

I am sure that article is about my "James Wemyss" too.

Thankyou Lesley
Melissa

[LesleyB]

Hi Melissa
I think it is your James too. Perhaps if you were able to find some brothers or sisters for him who survived past 1855 you could maybe confirm his parents, though establishing the rest of the family can be difficult. A lot of digging about in census and OPR birth, marriage (and deaths) is required to sort out which family is which!

There are OPR deaths for West Weymss found at
http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk/famrec/h ... r-cov.html

459. WEMYSS
459/1 B 1660-91 M - D -
459/2 B 1692-1734 M - D -
459/3 B 1735-79 M - D -
459/4 B 1779-1819 M 1779-1819 D -
459/5 B - M 1662-1779 D 1707-1819
459/6 B 1820-1854 M 1820-1854 D 1820-1854

You should be able to order the film from your local LDS Family History centre for a small fee. That same reference, 459/6 should have the births of his children and his marriage so well worth ordering. It should give you a good idea of what other Weymss families there are in the area and what names they are using.

Best wishes
Lesley

[Melmax]

Hi Lesley, I guess I will have to resort to LDS microfilm.

There seems to be plenty about James Wemyss's Wifes Family:

I can find Elisabeth Crombie's parents (Alexander Crombie married to Margaret Murray and six children, Margaret b 1791, Thomas b 1793, George b 1795, James b 1798, Elisabeth b 1800, Grizel b 1805.

Margaret Murray married a John Scott (confirmed by her death cert), so I think she is living next door to her sister Elizabeth in the 1841 Census.

Later on a 'James Baxter' witnessed the Death of James Wemyss and Elisabeth Crombie's son James Wemyss b 1842. James Baxter was the husband of Margaret Crombie (her father was George Crombie b 1795).

More:
JAMES WEMYSS Parents:James Wemyss, Charlotte Caroline Wemyss.
Gender: Male Christening: 15 DEC 1807 Wemyss, Fife, Scotland.
(This man died in 1865 and was a Major, his father James Wemyss was born in 1778.)
So he could not be the man that married Elisabeth Crombie.

Which leaves the mysterious:
JAMES WEMYSS Parents: William Wemyss, Jean Blythe.
Gender: Male Christening: 27 NOV 1793 Wemyss, Fife, Scotland

I guess I just have to keep digging!

Melissa

[LesleyB]

Hi Melissa
OK - seems like a good idea to concentrate on the James born on 27 Nov 1793 Wemyss and see what else you can find out about him and his family - parnets, siblings. If, for instance, his father was also a sailor...that would be interesting...

Even if you find out it is not that one, at least you will then have eliminated him as a possible candidate. His father on the IGI seems to be a William though, not a James, and I'm not seeing any siblings so far.

JAMES WEMYSS
Event(s):
Birth: 07 AUG 1793
Christening: 27 NOV 1793 Wemyss, Fife, Scotland
Parents:
Father: WILLIAM WEMYSS
Mother: JEAN BLYTH
C114596 1779 - 1820

Best wishes
Lesley

[Melmax]

Hi Lesley, I have been in scotlandspeople again, this time I searched for a marriage between William Wemyss and Jean between 1700 and 1800, in all parishes but found no Jean Blyth.

There is a Jean Blyth in Wemyss parish, her father was a James Blyth.

Could that mean this couple were never married?


JAMES WEMYSS
Event(s):
Birth: 07 AUG 1793
Christening: 27 NOV 1793 Wemyss, Fife, Scotland
Parents:
Father: WILLIAM WEMYSS
Mother: JEAN BLYTH
C114596 1779 - 1820

Melissa

[LesleyB]

Hi Melissa
The clues may lie in the OPR, with the James christened 27 November 1793, Wemyss.

Very often, if the parents were married, the format goes something along the lines of:
"Was born James, lawful son to....." .
If they were not married it will usually be mentioned that the child was illegimate, one way or another...
e.g. Was born Henry son to Henry ______ who was begot in fornication with _______ in Kettle & baptised the 5th of March.

Best wishes
Lesley

[Melmax]

Hi Lesley, I've been able to access the OPR at scotlands people

James Wemyss Natural son of William Wemyss and Jean Blyth b 1793.

Does "Natural" son mean the parents were unmarried? Most of the others on this page were lawful sons.

I'm begining to think that this is my man and that it is possible that William Wemyss was married to Frances Erskine.

James Wemyss marriage OPR to Elisabeth Crambie in 1829 has provided no clues other than to confirm he was a sailor.

To be a sailor would he have had to be registered somewhere?



All the men on my hit list used the names James for their children, probably they are all decended from a James Wemyss.

I just need evidence of age for my James Wemyss or a financial sponser, to pinpoint the right parents. If they had recorded his age at death perhaps I would crack the case!