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DavidWW
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Post by DavidWW » Fri Feb 09, 2007 12:09 pm

trish1 wrote:Hi Kathy

The indexes for the first twenty years 1855-1875 of Scottish births and marriages are on the IGI. This can be very useful for picking up the different spelling (although I assume transcriptions could be different between the IGI and SP). It is also useful because it can be searched for free :D

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Trish
Plus the two census years of 1881 and 1891 ! (for reasons no one has even been able to explain satisfactorily to me).

Curiously I don't ever recall coming across a major transcription error in any of these 23 years worth of birth and marriage register index entries.

The only minor "glitches" to be aware of are that, the IGI will be indexed on the basis of the date of the event, i.e. a birth or marriage registered in the first few days of January in, say, 1865, will appear as an 1864 event on IGI; there are also occaisonal late registrations for other diverse reasons.

In addition, I've never been fully clear on just what was the indexing practice where a child was originally registered as illegitimate, but there was a subsequent Sheriff Court paternity action that led to the name of the father, - I don't believe that the LDS have copies of the relevant RCE registers, but couldn't swear to this.

David

kathyc
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Post by kathyc » Sat Feb 10, 2007 12:24 am

Thanks to everyone for all the suggestions. :)

Kathy
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trish1
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Post by trish1 » Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:39 am

Plus the two census years of 1881 and 1891

Thanks David - I knew there were a couple of others - have never been able to remember which years so I don't mention them :? :?

But now you have linked them to the census :D :D I should remember

Trish

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Post by SarahND » Sat Feb 10, 2007 10:27 am

DavidWW wrote:Curiously I don't ever recall coming across a major transcription error in any of these 23 years worth of birth and marriage register index entries.
In the light of other indexes recently put online, this is very refreshing!
DavidWW wrote:In addition, I've never been fully clear on just what was the indexing practice where a child was originally registered as illegitimate, but there was a subsequent Sheriff Court paternity action that led to the name of the father, - I don't believe that the LDS have copies of the relevant RCE registers, but couldn't swear to this.
In several illegitimate births that I have looked at, they are only listed under the mother's name on the IGI, although there is an RCE on the record on SP with the father's name on it.

One slight caution... I don't think the IGI is as complete as SP, or am I imagining things? I know I have found a number of OPR births on SP that do not appear on the IGI. This may be in some of the parishes that only have children of one sex recorded for some reason, but I thought there were others as well. So if they don't appear on the IGI, it does not mean they aren't there!

All the best,
Sarah

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Post by SarahND » Sat Feb 10, 2007 10:38 am

DavidWW wrote:Plus the two census years of 1881 and 1891 ! (for reasons no one has even been able to explain satisfactorily to me)
You mean these two censuses for Scotland are on the familysearch.org site? Where are they? They don't appear when I go to the census search page. :?

Or did I misunderstand? :roll:
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Sarah

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Post by trish1 » Sat Feb 10, 2007 10:39 am

Hello Sarah

There are many OPRs not available on the IGI - my suggestion was to look there first, as I have found a good coverage for my areas of interest. I believe (and David may be able to confirm) that the IGI is complete (Births and marriages) for the specified years of the civil indexes.


You mean these two censuses for Scotland are on the familysearch.org site? Where are they? They don't appear when I go to the census search page.

Or did I misunderstand?


The civil births and marriages index for those two years (1881 & 1891) are on the IGI - the census data for Scotland is not available on Family search

Trish

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Post by SarahND » Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:03 am

trish1 wrote: The civil births and marriages index for those two years (1881 & 1891) are on the IGI - the census data for Scotland is not available on Family search
Oh! I hadn't realized that... how odd!

Thanks for the clarification :D
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Sarah

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Post by AndrewP » Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:34 am

The censuses that I can see on the familysearch website are:
1880 United States
1881 British Isles
(more correctly England and Wales)
1881 Canada

For Scotland, on the familysearch website, there is the International Genealogical Index (IGI). It contains:
Births/Baptisms up to 1854 from the Old Parochial Registers (OPRs)
Banns/Marriages up to 1854 from the Old Parochial Registers (OPRs)
Births 1855 to 1874 extracted from the statutory birth registers
Marriages 1855 to 1875 extracted from the statutory marriage registers
Submitted entries for births/baptisms, banns/marriages and deaths/burials for any years

Note: for some parishes only the female births/baptisms (up to 1854) appear on the online version of the IGI.

The online IGI is a useful free of charge tool if you are wanting to narrow down the searches that you need to use on ScotlandsPeople. It has a lot of tolerance for spelling variations. If you are using the online IGI as a search aid before going to ScotlandsPeople, check that the record(s) you have found are extracted from the records, not LDS sumbissions. ScotlandsPeople is based purely on the records, and does not include LDS submissions.

If the 1891 census (presumably England and Wales) is there, I cannot find it.

All the best,

AndrewP

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Post by David Douglas » Thu Feb 15, 2007 7:19 pm

It's often worthwhile designing a search so that it results a number of results, for example where the surname is rare, or where you're interested in a surname in a particular district. There can be up to 25 results on a single page, at a cost of 1 credit, so try to go for the 25. E.g. search for Deaths, "TOWERS"; County: Renfrew; Year From: 1912; Year To: 1954, 25 results. Or if it's 2 pages, try to go for 50 results - try selecting districts - up to 5 at a time - to narrow the search. Even if you're currently only looking for one particular individual, there's a good chance that some of the others could be relevant later. Even once you've narrowed the search down so it returns 25 results, try to expand it a little. E.g. if 1866-1913 returns 25 results, try 1865-1913, 1866-1914 etc until you go over the 25 and have to go back one year. I.e. try to get the most extensive search for your 1 credit - you may well want to go back to this search later while looking for another individual.

I often have a browser window open searching the IGI, or FreeCEN at the same time as Scotlandspeople. In Scotlandspeople, you can't for example, search for all children of given parents - you have to know their names to search for them. So find them first if possible other places and then search Scotlandspeople. At http://www.scotsorigins.com/ you can search the IGI using other options than on the http://www.familysearch.org/ site. E.g. search for all children of given parents in a given parish.

You can also take advantage of the searches themselves being free on Scotlandspeople - it's only if you want to see the result that it costs something. See the folloing:

Example: Search Statutory Register (SR) Deaths
Euphemia Rennie, born ca. 1846, married 1871 to John Pritchard.
Search for death, Euphemia Rennie, 1871- 1954. 32 results, 2 pages.
Reduce search til it fits on 1 page: 1871-1932 - 25 results. Pay 1 credit for that search.

This result: 1919 RENNIE EUPHEMIA MCGEEC F 73 HILLHEAD LANARK looks promising - age fits, and the location.
Now search for Euphemia Pritchard, aged 73, died 1919 in Hillhead, Lanark. Returns 1 result: it’s her. For the moment I’m not all that interested - I’ve discovered the year and place of her death. The middle name (probably McGeech) is interesting . I haven’t come across it before. Maybe I’ll have a look some time in the future if I have extra credits, in the meantime I won’t spend the 1 credit to get the exact result of the search, or the subsequent 5 credits to download the image. This is a typical example of trying to save credits - she's a remote relative, not a direct ancestor, so I'm not willing to spend a lot of money right now following that line.
Result: Euphemia Pritchard, nee Rennie died aged 73, in1919 in Hillhead, Lanark
Total cost: 1 credit


Example: Search Statutory Register (SR) Marriages
and Search Statutory Register (SR) Births

From 1881 census - Rennie family, Govan. Flora Rennie, aged 16, born in Irvine, Ayrshire (her mother Jane born same place). I.e. born between 4th April 1864 and 4th April 1865 (the census was taken on the night of 3rd-4th April 1881 - earliest possible date is if she turned 17 on 4th April 1881 and the census taker appeared before midnight, latest possible date is if she turned 16 on 4th April and the census taker appeared after midnight.)
1901: David Rennie dies, widow Jeanie Muirhead.
Search for marriage: David Rennie, Jeanie Muirhead, no matches. Neither are there matches with Jean* (note on wildcard searches: * matches any number of characters -including none, ? matches one character only -e.g. THOM*SON matches both THOMSON, THOMPSON, THOMASON, THOMASSON, etc. THOM?SON will match THOMPSON and THOMASON but not the others
Replace Jeanie with Jane, 1 match. Narrow it down to 1870, Glasgow (could have narrowed it down to district, but couldn’t be bothered). So Flora born before that wedding. Search for births, Flora Rennie 1864-1865, Ayr, Irvine. 0 matches. Replace Rennie with Muirhead, 1 match. 1864-1864 1 match.
Result: David Rennie married Jane Muirhead in Glasgow in 1870.
Result: Flora Muirhead born in Irvine, Ayrshire in 1864.
Total cost: 0 credits


Example: Search Statutory Register (SR) Deaths
Search for death cert for. Sarah Wray, nee Davis. Was 38 yrs old in 1881 census, so should be born between 4-apr-1842 and 4-apr-1843. Search for deaths, all years, all counties, Sarah Wray. 9 results. Married women are usually also indexed under their maiden names, so try Sarah Davis. 57 results. So Wray is a rarer name, try this first. The family lived in Port Glasgow in 1881, so let's try Renfrewshire, Port Glasgow district, and Sarah Wray, deaths from 1881 and from age 38 upwards. (note: not all age of deaths are indexed - those not indexed are set to 131, so if you set an upper limit of 100 years of age, you won't find these). 1 result. Try replacing Wray with Davis and do the same search. If there are no results, then we shouldn't be looking in Port Glasgow. 1 result. That's better than I'd hoped - there could easily have been more. Now find the year of death, changing the surname back to Wray, and try 1900-1943. Remember to set the district, Port Glasgow, each time - it gets reset. 1 result. 1920-1943 1 result. 1930-1943 0 results. 1920-1925 0 results. 1926-1928 1 results. 1926-1926 1 result. Now try to find the age. In 1926, she should have been about 83. Try ages 81-85 1 result. 81-83 1 result. 81-81 0 results 82-82 1 result. Now replace Wray with Davis, all other criteria as before 1 result. That must be her.
Result: Sarah Wray nee Davis died aged 82 in Port Glasgow, Renfrewshire, in 1926.
Total cost 0 credits.

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Post by kathyc » Thu Feb 15, 2007 7:33 pm

Excellent examples. Thanks, David! :)

Kathy
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