Does anyone know the logic of multiple entries for civil marriages on SP. I did a search for a particular name - males - 1855-2006 and there were 31 hits. When I display the first page there are multiple entries for many marriages with very minor changes - e.g. Jonathan and Jonathon - is this because the record cannot be read, or to cover every possiblity. I would think with wildcard searching this should not be necessary. It also seems to show multiple names for the brides - presumably indicating a prior marriage. I think I have 17 marriages on Page 1, so a little peeved I have to pay to check the next 6, which may only be 1 or 2.
On the other side of the search, I find 1 marriage 3 times where the man has 3 different surnames - any ideas for this one?
Trish
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LesleyB
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Re: Multiple entries
Hi Trish
Not seen these, so just guessing: it may be that a marriage was originally registered in one name, a spelling error was contained at the time and then there was an RCE to correct the error, so that the marriage is there more than once in the index. Also, sometimes people choose to change their name or the spelling of their name, (e.g. I've seen evidence of Ann to Anne, Carol to Carole etc) and if this is done officially via GROS, as far as I'm aware, all previous registrations will be affected (with RCE notes made) and the entry will probably be indexed under both variations.
As regards your man with three surnames, it is not entirely uncommon say for a person (male or female) to be born to an unmarried couple - in this case a birth is registered under both surnames. If the mother perhaps then marries someone who is not the father, the children may take on a third family surname which may be the one they are generally known as.
Best wishes
Lesley
Not seen these, so just guessing: it may be that a marriage was originally registered in one name, a spelling error was contained at the time and then there was an RCE to correct the error, so that the marriage is there more than once in the index. Also, sometimes people choose to change their name or the spelling of their name, (e.g. I've seen evidence of Ann to Anne, Carol to Carole etc) and if this is done officially via GROS, as far as I'm aware, all previous registrations will be affected (with RCE notes made) and the entry will probably be indexed under both variations.
As regards your man with three surnames, it is not entirely uncommon say for a person (male or female) to be born to an unmarried couple - in this case a birth is registered under both surnames. If the mother perhaps then marries someone who is not the father, the children may take on a third family surname which may be the one they are generally known as.
Best wishes
Lesley
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Muriel
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Re: Multiple entries
Hi Trish
I've found this where the marriages have been of people serving in the forces during WW11. The army chaplain would marry them & a list of the marriages would be sent to NRH. They seem to list each of the males as having married all of the females on a page! I've always been at NRH when I've been looking at them so it hasn't been too much of a hassle or expense but unless you happen to know, for instance, the first name of the bride it could make things quite expensive.
Muriel
I've found this where the marriages have been of people serving in the forces during WW11. The army chaplain would marry them & a list of the marriages would be sent to NRH. They seem to list each of the males as having married all of the females on a page! I've always been at NRH when I've been looking at them so it hasn't been too much of a hassle or expense but unless you happen to know, for instance, the first name of the bride it could make things quite expensive.
Muriel
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trish1
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Re: Multiple entries
Hi Lesley
I agree with your comments, just find it a little frustrating when you have to pay for an index that contains multiple entries for the same event (sometimes with a very minor change) - leads to multiple pages to view. I have no doubt it helps when searching for an individual entry and having multiple surnames indexed for women is also very useful.
Hi Muriel
Sounds rather like the older English GRO Indexes - it didn't seem necessary to index who married who, just the fact that someone married. The marriage I have with 3 male names - has the same given name and varying surnames - also the same reference, so presumably on the same SP page - it seems to happen when the marriage is at Gretna - would that be a clue? They are rather recent marriages so I can't download the page otherwise I might have a look cause I think it is a little strange to find multi surnames given for a man
Trish
I agree with your comments, just find it a little frustrating when you have to pay for an index that contains multiple entries for the same event (sometimes with a very minor change) - leads to multiple pages to view. I have no doubt it helps when searching for an individual entry and having multiple surnames indexed for women is also very useful.
Hi Muriel
Sounds rather like the older English GRO Indexes - it didn't seem necessary to index who married who, just the fact that someone married. The marriage I have with 3 male names - has the same given name and varying surnames - also the same reference, so presumably on the same SP page - it seems to happen when the marriage is at Gretna - would that be a clue? They are rather recent marriages so I can't download the page otherwise I might have a look cause I think it is a little strange to find multi surnames given for a man
Trish
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AndrewP
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Re: Multiple entries
Hi Trish,
It could be that he was known by different surnames at different times in his life and declared them all. It could be that he was born to an unmarried mother, given her surname, and she subsequently married and he was then given her married surname, and possibly she re-married and changed his surname again. Just guessing.
All the best,
AndrewP
It could be that he was known by different surnames at different times in his life and declared them all. It could be that he was born to an unmarried mother, given her surname, and she subsequently married and he was then given her married surname, and possibly she re-married and changed his surname again. Just guessing.
All the best,
AndrewP
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trish1
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Re: Multiple entries
Hi Andrew
Your thoughts seem similar to Lesley's reply. I can't find one (at least for this name) in the timeframe that I can download - will check my other names. I've not got any certificates where a man specified more than one name, but I guess they exist. I do have a few known by different names during their lives, but only one name given on marriage. These were in England & were changes going from mother's married name back to original birth name or to mother's maiden name - in one instance for inheritance reasons. In later times I guess multiple names may be more common with divorce coming into the picture.
Trish
Your thoughts seem similar to Lesley's reply. I can't find one (at least for this name) in the timeframe that I can download - will check my other names. I've not got any certificates where a man specified more than one name, but I guess they exist. I do have a few known by different names during their lives, but only one name given on marriage. These were in England & were changes going from mother's married name back to original birth name or to mother's maiden name - in one instance for inheritance reasons. In later times I guess multiple names may be more common with divorce coming into the picture.
Trish
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Montrose Budie
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Re: Multiple entries
The only occasion on which multiple index entries will result in extra cost is when there are completely separate register entries. But if the latter is the case that often opens up interesting questions.
It does happen quite often that there are multiple entries in the indexes, but most often these point to exactly the same image.
And, once you have paid the 5 credits starting from one index entry, you don't need to pay another five credits to see the same image starting from a different index entry, - in fact you will find that the other index entry or entries now show as View (Paid) instead of View (5 Credits).
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It does happen quite often that there are multiple entries in the indexes, but most often these point to exactly the same image.
And, once you have paid the 5 credits starting from one index entry, you don't need to pay another five credits to see the same image starting from a different index entry, - in fact you will find that the other index entry or entries now show as View (Paid) instead of View (5 Credits).
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