East Lothian Cavalry (Again!)

[Montrose Budie]

Hi Scott

A great example!

From the early 1800s onwards, including the Peninsular Campaign, pay and muster lists show even more information, e.g, if on detached service, or in hospital recovering from wounds, date of joining of new recruits, etc., etc.

mb

[Clanchattan]

Hi Scott,

Many thanks for sharing your expertise with me. The copy of the Muster Roll is amazing.

I find it very strange that despite my visits to the NAS in Edinburgh i.e Princes Street & Charlotte Square, with the stated interest in the ELC, that no one suggested that there were such superior records concerning the ELC at Kew.

It was a 200ml round trip for me and I searched the following in vain

1) GD302/1,29,44 Muster Rolls etc
2) Servants Tax E326/5/26 and E326/6/19
3) Payments to wives and children of militia men 1803-1815 NAS ref E327/147-158
4) CO7/13/1 and 2 (No 1 the most interesting of the two minute books was unfortunately missing on the day of my visit!).

What would you recommend as a next step for me? Would the existing records under WO13 eventually (hopefully) lead me to my James McIntosh ? (remember I only have his marriage details that states he was in the ELC). Would they give his wife's name and possibly children's names? Or is this too much to be expected?

I've previously posted my details on the Clan Chattan site but without the success I've experienced here.

In any event your help is much appreciated.

Many thanks.

Cheers Gordon

[LesleyB]

Hi Gordon

I find it very strange that despite my visits to the NAS in Edinburgh i.e Princes Street & Charlotte Square, with the stated interest in the ELC, that no one suggested that there were such superior records concerning the ELC at Kew.

I think sometimes archives know all about the data that they do have, usually in great detail and they are aware of what they do not hold, but they do not always know the locations of all the data they do not hold themselves - hope that makes sense.

Best wishes
Lesley

[Currie]

Hello all,

The regiments.org file was available as discussed on this thread however the link no longer works. viewtopic.php?f=32&t=12091

MediaFire is still hosting a file that appears to be the one, right name, type and size. http://www.mediafire.com/?dzmilzmnitm

Regiments.org is also available at the Internet Archive. I don’t know which of the dates there works the best or whether any are incomplete. You would have to try it and see. The asterisk indicates an update to the site. http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://regiments.org

All the best,
Alan

[Clanchattan]

Hi Everyone,

At long last, on the 19th November my wife, son and I had a three pronged assault on the East Lothian Cavalry (Records) at Kew.
After a fairly lengthy registration process and a wait for the documents arriving we finally had our hands on WD13/3759 & 60.
The first pack, covering the years 1794-1798, consisted of 7 folded Broad Sheets and 11 Pay and Muster Ledgers (as per Scott's examples).
The Broad Sheets covered the whole militia under the command of Colonel John Hamilton. At one time I had the idea that my James had been his batman/gentleman's servant and we had visited Pencaitland where the Colonel's ancestral home is situated .
James McIntosh was featured in 6 of the 7 records. Ironically a Robert Nisbet is also listed, could he be a relative of James' wife Isabel Nisbet?
For one period 25th June- 25th Dec , James is registered as Absent followed by Brechin in the next column, others had a similar entry or simply 'do' for presumably 'ditto'. Can anyone help as to what this means?
The rest of the pack consisted of the Pay and Muster Ledgers similar to the ones Scott posted. James was featured in all 11 of these under the command of Major Alexander Maclean ( Ironically a Clan member of the Clan Chattan Group of Clans.)
WD 13/3760 consisted of 17 similar ledgers covering the dates 1799-1800. James is featured in all 17 but note for the period Feb- May 1779 he was registered as sick. (Quite a long time to be sick a broken bone perhaps?) On the 1st May 1800 he was discharged , along with several others. If this is truly discharged and not transferred to another unit it is much earlier than expected and well before the birth of their first child in1807.
Another puzzle on one of the sheets Scott kindly sent me is the entry 'On Command' after James McIntosh's name, was he being disciplined?
So my brick wall is not breached yet!
Regards Gordon

[Currie]

Nice work Gordon,

After looking at some Google books printed before 1820, 'on command' appears to me to have been common terminology to many armies of that time. Those 'on command' seem to be separate from the main force and not participating in anything particularly military. Maybe it's like being 'on call' in some sort of reserve. They appear to be a separate category to sick, detachments, furlough, and so on. A soldier doesn't appear to have been eligible for Army rations when 'on command', see this book from 1776. http://books.google.com.au/books?id=1Sx ... 22&f=false

You may find this book interesting. “Rules and Regulations for the Cavalry”, 1795. http://books.google.com.au/books?id=hUc ... &q&f=false

Not really sure but hope it helps,
Alan

[Montrose Budie]

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MediaFire is still hosting a file that appears to be the one, right name, type and size. http://www.mediafire.com/?dzmilzmnitm

.... snipped......... Alan

As a very regular of this website before it disappeared from the www, for whatever reason, (and I've been in direct contact with the site creator) I can testify that that the www copy that I was able to access soon after this disappearance is 28.58 Mb, which has to be very close to the final version available on the www ............. !!

mb

[Currie]

Hello mb,

It looks like the domain http://www.regiments.org has recently come back to life, possibly with a new owner. The old one was T. F. Mills, I think.

Unfortunately there's nothing there. It will be interesting to see if anything develops.

Alan

[Clanchattan]

Alan,

A belated thanks for the info ' On Command'. It makes me think he was a Batman, as in civvy street he is a Gentleman's Gentleman.
I thought I'd also follow up the 'Brechin' reference. I have looked at Brechin in Angus and ironically McIntosh's occur there in the IGI
William McIntosh married Euphane Hutton 14 Dec 1784 and had the following children:-
Mary born 27 May 1786 in Dundee
William born 21 June 1789 in Dundee
David born 19 Jan 1794 in St. Andrews
Jean Brown born 4 July 1796 in Brechin
Euphan Reid born 22 july 1797 in Brechin
Summer Blair born 1 June 1800 in Brechin.
Whilst it is possibly just a coincidence but some of the Christian names are remarkably familiar. Note also the different locations.

I have never looked beyond Edinburgh for James McIntosh and his wife Isabel and have found no details of them since the birth of the 'other' Jean Brown Mcintosh in 1816. Perhaps I should look in Angus.
Regards Gordon

[Currie]

Hello Gordon,

Some interesting name combinations there. Possibly no connection at all but you never know your luck. If you haven't previously been there the Hugh Wallis middle name site can sometimes be worth a look. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.anc ... #PageTitle

Best of Luck,
Alan