WW1 records from SP.....

Joan · Post by **Joan** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 9:48 pm

Hi everyone,

I wonder if anyone can tell me what kind of info I would get if I ordered the following record from SP. "1915 FRASER ROBERT M 45
SERVICE AND WAR RETURNS /MINOR RECORDS 122/AF 0177"

I believe this record may be my great uncle but I am unable to find a listing which I can say is definitely him on CWGC. Lots of Robert Frasers without an age are given.

On the SP records will it have his regiment? Or failing that the place where he was killed?

I don't want to order it to find out I'm no further forward.

Thanks
Joan

Post by **Tracey** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 10:02 pm

Joan

Where and when was he born ? as his army records might be found on The National Archives. Im looking on there now

Tracey

Post by **AndrewP** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 10:12 pm

Hi Joan,

The information on the Minor Records (Service and War Returns) is very limited. Normally it is a name, rank, number, regiment (or the like), cause of death and date of death. It is not a death certificate in the normal sense, so there is not usually information about home address or parents. The cause of death can be vague - killed in action, or missing in action are quite common causes of death.

All the best,

Andrew Paterson

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 10:12 pm

Joan wrote:Hi everyone,

I wonder if anyone can tell me what kind of info I would get if I ordered the following record from SP. "1915 FRASER ROBERT M 45
SERVICE AND WAR RETURNS /MINOR RECORDS 122/AF 0177"

I believe this record may be my great uncle but I am unable to find a listing which I can say is definitely him on CWGC. Lots of Robert Frasers without an age are given.

On the SP records will it have his regiment? Or failing that the place where he was killed?

I don't want to order it to find out I'm no further forward.

Thanks
Joan

The SP record won't show much but it should show regiment, place of death, whether kia or died of wounds etc.

See also Tracey's note re the records at The National Archives at Kew.............

David

Post by **Tracey** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 10:15 pm

Had a look anyway

All the Robert Frasers in BT are too early to be yours
One on WO Robert Fraser Ross too late and too many Robert Fraser,s in the WW1 Campaign medals to go through and not much help unless you know which regiment he was in.

Joan · Post by **Joan** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 10:30 pm

Thanks everyone

I had looked at the NA but wthout his regiment I was stumped. From what I have (having spend a fortune on SP) the Robert Fraser I have found on SP must be him. I know he was born in 1870 in Fife and dead by 1917. I guess I'll have to stump up to get his regiment. Was going to go to Kew tomorrow but will wait til SP deliver the goods.

Thanks again for your help
Joan

Post by **Tracey** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 10:31 pm

On CWWG site there are only three Robert Frasers and one R. Fraser who all died in 1915. One of them isnt him as he is aged 30 at time of death. So that leaves 3. The R Fraser has some information - Brother of Mr. J. Fraser, of The Fore, Rafford, Forres, Morayshire so that narrows it down to 2 !

Of the two that are left one was a Lance Corporal in Black Watch, the other a Private in the Highland Light Infantry.

edit ......Missed putting Highland before Light Infantry

Joan · Post by **Joan** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 10:35 pm

Thanks Tracey
I think that it will be the Black Watch Fraser, at the time his brother John (my grandad) was in the Black Watch. Historically folk from Fife joined the BW. I'll have another look at the NA site - I never noticed the one you have.
Cheers
Joan

Post by **Tracey** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 10:39 pm

These were on CWWGC site but now maybe you can narrow your search at TNA when you go

Post by **Tracey** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:08 pm

Couldnt resist looking

Only three Lance Corporal Robert Fraser (s) but only one Royal Highlander

Medal card of Fraser, Robert Alexander
Corps: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders
Regiment No: S/23948
Rank: Lance Corporal...
1914-1920 WO 372/7

Medal card of Fraser, Robert
Corps: Gordon Highlanders
Regiment No: S/5528
Rank: Lance Corporal...
1914-1920 WO 372/7

Medal card of Fraser, Robert
Corps: 1/5th Royal Highlanders
Regiment No: 3007
Rank: Lance Corporal
1914-1920 WO 372/7

May be him

edit......... just saw Service No: 307 on CWWG so........

Good luck

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