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Jack
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Post by Jack » Sun Apr 23, 2006 10:55 pm

Hi Linda,
I've mislead you...the medal was in the photo that i have of the 10 suited men plus a soldier in uniform.
It was this soldier that had the medal - i couldn't see one on the pic of your GF.
But maybe your photo was taken before the Seaforth campaigns, whereas mine was taken after they returned home?
[later, but see the p.s.]
Very sorry about the confusion :(
Jack
ps, meant to say, i know nothing of army uniforms etc. :oops:
I only have the photie because it was amongst my late father's stuff. One of the suited men is possibly my GF born 1878.
(all 11 men were aged abt 22-26)
And if it is him, then i'd now be thinking my photie was taken quite early in the 1900s (abt 1903?).
But you think yours was taken abt 1912, and maybe it wasn't long after he'd enlisted?
Hence he hadn't got round to tidying up (ie shortening) his sporran!

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Post by DavidWW » Fri Apr 28, 2006 2:01 pm

Linda

Two further pieces of evidence just in.

First, a real expert to whom I'd emailed the photie plumps for The Gordons, - not 100% sure but see also below.

Secondly, purely coincidentally, I was sent a WWII photo today of a known Gordon Highlander, and he has exactly the same very long sporran. Military sporrans do tend to the long, but these two are extremely long !!

David

PS Jack .... Can you please email me the sporran photies that you have so that I can have a look see......
dww

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Post by Jack » Fri Apr 28, 2006 5:46 pm

Hi David,
I've forgotten what little i knew in how to scan and send a photie. :oops:
A few months back i tried it again and mucked up the programme? (i think) somehow,
had to uninstall, then re-install all the scanner stuff.
(since then i've only scanned to the printer)
Please leave it with me and i'll see if i can work out how to do it properly...[-o<
Jack

Linda Malpass
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Post by Linda Malpass » Fri Apr 28, 2006 7:13 pm

DavidWW wrote:Linda

Two further pieces of evidence just in.

First, a real expert to whom I'd emailed the photie plumps for The Gordons, - not 100% sure but see also below.

Secondly, purely coincidentally, I was sent a WWII photo today of a known Gordon Highlander, and he has exactly the same very long sporran. Military sporrans do tend to the long, but these two are extremely long !!

David

PS Jack .... Can you please email me the sporran photies that you have so that I can have a look see......
dww
Hi David and Jack, I will await patiently to see if this is a match. The other big question, why would a man from New Cumnock be joining the Gordons, I have looked around in my tree, haven't found anyone in the WW1 era in the Highlands :?:

Linda
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Post by Jack » Sun Apr 30, 2006 3:20 pm

Hi Linda,
Just to say i (eventually...!) managed to scan and send my photie to David.
I couldn't post it on TS because i made it far too large, and didn't know how to make it smaller. :?
Jack

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Post by Linda Malpass » Sun Apr 30, 2006 3:36 pm

Jack wrote:Hi Linda,
Just to say i (eventually...!) managed to scan and send my photie to David.
I couldn't post it on TS because i made it far too large, and didn't know how to make it smaller. :?
Jack
Thanks Jack, well maybe we will ascertain whether my guy is Gordon or Seaforth ...... I'm not much on the military stuff, but just the same it will be interesting if David can match something up :?
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Post by DavidWW » Mon May 01, 2006 8:55 am

I think that I've cracked it!

On the site that Jack mentions, the important part of the page is the "SCOTTISH LINE INFANTRY 1914" panel, showing all the regimental badges as at 1914

At the very bottom the badge is that of The Seaforth Highlanders (72nd and 78th of Foot).

To the left is the badge of The Gordon Highlanders (75th and 92nd).

Note that they both use the caberfeidh as the centrepiece, but the Gordon's badge has garlands (probably not the correct heraldic term !) on either side.

Looking as closely as is possible at Linda's photo and Jack's emailed photo I'd come to the conclusion that both of them are probably Seaforth Highlanders.

That probability becomes a certainty when you look very closely at the bottom of the sporran badges. It's very hard to see the detail on the site Jack mentioned, but I've got other printouts of the regimental badges.

The strip that shows the motto, at the bottom of the sporran badge, is a downward curve, - think "frown", - for The Gordons - the motto is "Bydand" (Watchful).

The Seaforth motto strip, onthe other hand, is an upward curve, - think "smile", - the motto is "Cuidich'n Righ" (Help the King).

QED :!:

Looking at all the Scottish regimental badges I can only see one other pairing that could be as difficult to distinguish, - The Black Watch and the HLI, except that, pipers apart, the HLI wore trews from 1881 to 1947 :!:

David

PS Just in case anyone is wondering, these two regiments were created in 1881 by the amalgamation of 2 predecessor regiments.

In the case of The Seaforths, the predecessor regiments were the 72nd of Foot The Duke of Albany's Own Highlanders, and the 78th of Foot The Highland Ross-shire Buffs.

The Gordons were created from the 75th of foot The Stirlingshire Regiment and the 92nd of Foot The Gordon Highlanders.

All the photos involved here are thought to be well after 1881. In fact "Linda's" badge was only adopted by the regiment in 1901.
dww

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Post by Linda Malpass » Tue May 02, 2006 3:20 am

Thanks David for looking into to this for me, so were the Seaforths from Ayrshire :?: Now if I could just figure out who is wearing this uniform I would be :D
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Post by DavidWW » Tue May 02, 2006 1:46 pm

Linda Malpass wrote:Thanks David for looking into to this for me, so were the Seaforths from Ayrshire :?: Now if I could just figure out who is wearing this uniform I would be :D
Nope, the Seaforths wurnae frae oony wae close to Ayrshire, - the "local" regiment being the Royal Scots Fusiliers (21st of Foot), - HQ and barracks in Ayr,- but a lad frae Cumnock could easily have decided that he preferred a kilted Highland regiment and signed up accordingly ..............

The Seaforth Highlanders (Ross-shire Buffs) were organised in 1881 as the county regiment of Caithness-shire, Cromarty, Elginshire, Nairn, Ross-shire, Sutherland, and Orkney, encompassing its Militia and Volunteer infantry and uniting two regular battalions: 1st Battalion, formed by redesignation of 72nd (Duke of Albany's Own Highlanders) Regiment of Foot and the 2nd Battalion, formed by redesignation of 78th Highlanders) Regiment of Foot (The Ross-shire Buffs)

David