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Crew lists question

Post by speleobat2 » Fri May 08, 2009 10:23 pm

Hi all,

Findmypast just posted new crew list entries for 1861-1913 so I thought I'd try them out. Didn't find my Still relatives who I knew were sailors, but I did find a James Clerihew, born in Aberdeen, whom I don't know anything about! :shock:

Question: In the category Capacity, it says AB.

Any idea what job AB would equal?

I've never sailed in anything larger than a rowboat! :lol:

Carol :D
Looking for: Clerihew, Longmuir/Longmore, Chalmers, Milne, Barclay in Newhills,
Munro, Cadenhead, Raitt, Ririe/Reary

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Post by WilmaM » Fri May 08, 2009 10:39 pm

AB is probably Able-Seaman

but what he would have been able to do I've nae idea!

Hopefully somebody more nautically minded can oblige?
Wilma

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Post by StewL » Sat May 09, 2009 1:28 am

He would have probably been a general deck hand, depending on whether it was sail or steam he could have worked in the rigging or on general maintenance of the ship, he would also have stood watches apart from his other duties. Loading/unloading ship would have been another job he would have done.
Stewie

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Post by Ann In the UK » Sat May 09, 2009 7:48 am

Wiki has a description to give you an idea

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Able_Seaman_(occupation)

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Post by speleobat2 » Sat May 09, 2009 11:39 am

Thanks to Wilma, Stew, and Ann!

Now I know what he did, I just don't know who he was! This James Clerihew was born in 1848 and doesn't fit into any of the families I had previously charted so I may have to order his papers to see if I can get more information on him.

Carol :D
Looking for: Clerihew, Longmuir/Longmore, Chalmers, Milne, Barclay in Newhills,
Munro, Cadenhead, Raitt, Ririe/Reary

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Post by StewL » Sun May 10, 2009 1:03 am

Glad I was of help, I didnt want to say at the start that I had to complete the seamanship training in the navy, and did all the stuff mentioned in wiki, even though I was actually a communications operator :D
Stewie

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AB and others, Duties of Seamen in Ship's Deck Department

Post by Hugh Stevely » Sun May 10, 2009 6:50 pm

Officers, Bos’n, Able Seamen and Ordinary Seamen run this department

The many and varied duties of the deck department are probably the most important and interesting aboard a merchant ship. Upon those who spend their working hours topside falls a burden that ranges from chipping and scaling paint to the actual navigation of the vessel.

Merchant ships differ in size and complement, but the average ship that sails the seven seas today, bringing war material to our armies and those of our allies, generally conforms to a single pattern of manpower. The duties of those men also run true to form, more or less, but as the saying goes among seamen -- “different ship, different long splice.” All of which is translated as meaning that different ships and masters have their own way of doing things. Generally, however, they are similar.

Starting at the bottom is the Ordinary Seaman (OS) whose duties actually are to assist the able seaman. In reality, however, he is the deck utility man and may be called upon to do any one of many tasks.

The ordinary may be called upon to stand a lookout, to scale and chip paint, to paint, handle lines in the mooring of the ship, and to assist in the actual tying up and letting go of the vessel. The ordinary also assists in the handling and operation of all deck gear such as topping, cradling and housing of booms and he may also be asked to aid the carpenter in repair work.
It is likely that the ordinary may be allowed to act as helmsman, to read the draft markings or to act as cargo watch in the loading and discharging of cargo.

Calling the watch (the awakening of men, including officers, who are slated to go on watch, or to so remind them if they are awake) is another of the important duties of the ordinary. He also assists in emergency drills (lifeboat, abandon ship and fire) and keeps the passageways and heads in shipshape condition on the 4 to 8 watch. He may also work aloft or over the side.

The Able Seaman (AB), by law, must be able to perform any deck duties aside from the actual navigation of the vessel. In general his duties include the ability to splice wire or fibre line, to work aloft and over the side of the ship, to operate the deck machinery such as the windlass or winches, to paint and mix paint, to know the principles of cargo stowage, to be a good wheelsman and competent lookout, to overhaul and install any running or standing rigging on the ship, and to be able to sew, repair and mend canvas.

The AB must be a competent and certified lifeboatman, able to handle a lifeboat under oars or sail. He must know lifeboat equipment and be able to assume the duties of the cox’n or man in charge of the lifeboat. It will also be the duty of the AB to maintain the bridge in a clean and shipshape condition.

Next on the way up the deck department ladder is the Bo’sn (Boatswain), senior unlicensed man on the ship. He is the direct contact between the crew and the chief mate and he may be likened to a foreman in any industrial plant.

The Bo’s’n must be an experienced seaman and is held responsible for anything and everything in the maintenance, care and protection of deck equipment and deck cargo. He also supervises the securing of the ship for sea and the loading and discharging of cargo. In addition, the Bos’n assists the chief mate in ordering the deck stores.

The duties of the ship's Carpenter (Chips) are numerous. He is likely to be called upon to perform work which, in many cases, is beyond that which the term carpenter implies ashore. In short, he is both a seaman and a mechanic.

In addition to doing temporary or permanent wood construction aboard ship with hand tools, he is responsible for the operation of the anchor windlass, seeing that hatch wedges are driven properly, that the deck cargo is properly lashed and that the hatch battens are in place and secure.

The carpenter also repairs blocks, keeps the lifeboat davits in good order, builds temporary or permanent partitions, shores or braces weakened or damaged bulkheads, rigs a collision mat, builds a soft patch in the event of bulging or collision, replaces broken rivets and he will assume command of an emergency crew to repair damage in event of a collision.

A Quartermaster is not a fixture on all vessels. On the larger ships, he is primarily a wheelsman and maintains the bridge and its equipment in shipshape order. He is conversant with signaling procedure, stands a gangway watch in port (responsible for the safety and security of the ship as well as escorting persons aboard who have business) and he is able to perform the duties of an able seaman (splicing line, reaving a halyard, etc.).

“Day men,” those who work with the Bo’s’n, are usually picked for outstanding ability. They work from 0800 to 1700 and stand no night watches. Their duties are the maintenance of the ship, which includes operating the anchor windlass, winches and other deck machinery.

The Third Mate is the junior deck officer and normally stands the 8 to 12 watch. He is responsible for all life-saving equipment. In addition, the third mate keeps the ship’s log, follows the captain’s orders, and assists in the navigation of the vessel. In port, he will assist or supervise in the loading and discharging of cargo. His place is on the bridge with the captain while docking.

The Second Mate, usually the navigation officer, plots courses and takes celestial and terrestrial fixes. In peacetime he is the communications officer but the Naval officer in charge of the armed guard crew is rapidly assuming those duties because many of the messages now received are in secret code. The second mate also handles the after deck when tying up. He stands the 12 to 4 watch.

The First or Chief Mate is responsible for the maintenance of the ship and proper stowage of cargo. He handles the fore deck in tying up, is a good navigator, a thorough seaman, possesses the necessary qualities of leadership and will assume command of the vessel in the event of the master’s death or inability to command the ship. He stands the 4 to 8 watch.

Which brings us to the Captain who is lord and master of all he surveys. Actually his title is “Master.” He is in charge of everything and everyone aboard ship. He must be as closely acquainted with the steward’s department and the engine department as he is with the bridge and he must know the reason for every job performed aboard his vessel.

It should be remembered that the Master is the agent of the company which owns the ship and is not a member of the crew. He represents the company in every operation of the ship under his command. His is the full responsibility of the ship. Although he stands no watches he will always be found, in the event of foul weather or fog, on the weather side of the bridge until the danger is over, even though such foul weather lasts for 24, 48 or even 72 hours at a stretch.

In any emergency the captain will be up on the bridge conning his ship, despite the fact that he may have sunk exhausted on his bunk after a long vigil just three hours ago.

The captain also may act in the Shipping Commissioner’s capacity in signing off a crew after a coastwise trip. It is required of a master, as well as all his mates, that he have a first aid certificate and be capable of administering, if necessary, to the medical needs of the crew.

Any one of the deck officers from the Third Mate up will be in charge of any one of the lifeboats in abandoning ship.

When a ship is at sea, the watches are usually four hours on and eight hours off, but the crew may be broken out at any time in the event of an emergency. While in port, watches are usually broken. The crew works from 0800 to 1700 with an hour for chow. The ordinary or able seamen agree among themselves, as a general rule, as to which will stand the gangway watch at night.

It is important to remember that although every man in the deck department has specific duties, he must be absolutely familiar with the duties of the men who rank above him.

Orraverybest Hugh.
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Post by speleobat2 » Sun May 10, 2009 10:59 pm

Hi Hugh,

Thanks for that information. My only other relative who sailed was master of the ship and that speaks for itself so I hadn't done any further research on the subject.

This has gotten to my curiosity though because James Clerihew sailed on the H.M.S. Barracouta in 1870 which I found by googling was a wooden paddle sloop. I'm taking that to mean a wooden paddle wheel ship which I hadn't thought of as ocean going.

I'm familiar with the paddle wheel steamers from the Great Lakes and the Mississippi River over here, but the information that I found on one site said that the Barracouta was involved in hunting slave ships and collecting bounties on them at one point so it would have to have been ocean going.

I guess I always assumed that the ocean going ships were propeller driven. Learn something every day!

Carol :D
Looking for: Clerihew, Longmuir/Longmore, Chalmers, Milne, Barclay in Newhills,
Munro, Cadenhead, Raitt, Ririe/Reary

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H.M.S. Barracouta

Post by Hugh Stevely » Mon May 11, 2009 7:47 am

Hi Carol, very interesting post if you do further research on this try Public Record Office National Archive,s at Kew


There is some info here could this be your Vessel.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/ ... 68&cid=0#0







Hugh.
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Post by Currie » Sat May 30, 2009 9:22 am

Hello Carol,

Here’s a photo of H.M.S. Barracouta at Brisbane about 1875.
http://cas.awm.gov.au/photograph/302143

An article in The Brisbane Courier, Tuesday, 19 January, 1875.
http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/artic ... earchTerm=

The Melbourne Argus thus describes the ship that carries our Governor and his fortunes:—
“The latest representative of the British naval force in these waters to visit this port is H.M. steam sloop-of-war Barracouta, which arrived in the Bay yesterday afternoon. Her presence here is occasioned by her having come round from Sydney to await the arrival of the R.M.S.S. Peru, on board of which is His Excellency Mr. Cairns, the new Governor of Queensland, and to convey him to Brisbane. The Barracouta, unlike most of Her Majesty’s war vessels which have been here, is a paddle steamer, but her large side-wheels are so ingeniously encased and painted that they do not show at a distance. She is barque-rigged, and very trim aloft, and her hull has nothing of the clumsy appearance generally associated with paddle steamers, especially amid-ships. Her armament consists of six guns, which are of the converted rifled pattern, and are muzzle loading, besides which there is the usual supply of small arms. The complement of officers and men on board numbers 177, and of the latter 24 are marines. Although she has been afloat for nearly thirty years she is in good preservation, and during the last Ashantee war rendered considerable service. She is well supplied with boats, chief among which is the steam launch, which was also found very useful during the hostilities with King Coffee.


The King Coffee incident was in 1873 as set out here. http://books.google.com.au/books?id=br1 ... #PPA206,M1

The Barracouta was also involved in an incident in Samoa in 1876 in which several sailors were killed. http://www.google.com.au/books?id=98MRA ... #PPA536,M1

Hope that’s interesting,
Alan