Poorhouse Record for James McCormick record look up please?.

ninatoo · Post by **ninatoo** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 11:31 pm

WOW

This is them without a doubt! Right names addresses and so on!

THANK YOU ANNETTE!!!

How wonderful to have all that information, even if it is scandalous! I am so delighted in this information in a strange sort of way....not the usual story for my ancestors at all.

Marye from here DID find a James McCormick for me on the 1881 census down in Southampton on a prison barge...so now I believe this could well BE HIM!

Wow, no wonder I could never find him on the censuses. What a character! He was noted as a jewellery hawker on all of his children's birth certificates...now I think I know where he got the jewellery from

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And I have to laugh at him, a convicted felon telling the authorities that his wife is a terrible liar and a drinker...which may well be the truth, but it just sounds odd coming from him...hehe! She definitely lied about her husband's death...but I assume it was because she wanted to have help with her son's application and thought it might be better saying she was a widow, rather than the husband was a criminal.

Oh and look at all those addresses for Catherine! I have some, but certainly not all! And being RC...well she may have, but none of her children nor her married in the Catholic church, yet her grand daughter, Margaret McCormick, my mum's granny, was a good Catholic...hehe.

Daughter Catherine is mentioned as a widow on page 2...at Calton Entry? Do you know what that means please? And on page 3 it mentions Joseph is a buffer in McPheens? Would that be a place of employment?

Goodness, there are several records that come up for a James McCormick at NAS for court proceedings in the right time frame, so now I need to try and search those more thoroughly.

Most of my questions are because I either can't read the writing, or I don't know enough about historical content:

William being in South? Africa at that time with the army....would that be the Boer War? No mention of being a Chelsea Pensioner on his death cerificate...so he may have never applied.

And Samuel...does that say he is in Preston, England? Difficult to read...but if so it was short lived, as I have Samuel and family in the 1891 and 1901 censuses as living in Glasgow, where he died in 1914.

Can you tell whether James talks of Joseph living with a girl named Laura Miller, or is it his occupation - sawmiller? I found it hard to tell....

Oh so many questions...but SO many other interesting answers!

I so appreciate this wonderful thing you have done for me! It has added so many details to my family tree, and once again I thank you whole heartedly!!!

Nina

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 2:09 pm

ninatoo wrote: Most of my questions are because I either can't read the writing, or I don't know enough about historical content:

William being in South? Africa at that time with the army....would that be the Boer War? No mention of being a Chelsea Pensioner on his death cerificate...so he may have never applied.

And Samuel...does that say he is in Preston, England? Difficult to read...but if so it was short lived, as I have Samuel and family in the 1891 and 1901 censuses as living in Glasgow, where he died in 1914.

Can you tell whether James talks of Joseph living with a girl named Laura Miller, or is it his occupation - sawmiller? I found it hard to tell....

Nina

Hello Nina,

Yes I'd say Mary was spot on with James's location in 1881.

Calton entry still exists today – this link gives you a location.

Calton Entry

James is living with Joseph who has 2 children and is a saw miller.

According to James, Samuel was at 52 Spring Gardens in Buxton, England.
If you Google for that address it is a shop in a precinct.

I don’t know much about the army but I do believe the Boer War was happening in South Africa at that time.

Hope this answers some of you questions.

Kind regards,
Annette M

ninatoo · Post by **ninatoo** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:37 am

Yes thanks Annette, it certainly did. Ohhh so I now have a connection to the Barras, as well as prison and the Boer War hehe!

Yes the Boer War was going on at that time...I think they called it the 2nd Boer War (1899-1902). It is interesting that I have never seen a reference to William being a soldier up until now, not even on the 1901 census where his wife could have mentioned it as others on her street did (Occupation - Soldier's wife).

It will be fun researching his history...

Regarding the 1881 prison record Mary found...the only fly in the ointment is that it says James was born in Ireland...but it was the closest match anywhere in the UK and seems to fit the history for this man. Still, I suppose I will need to somehow prove if it was him...no easy task.

Well, the McCormicks seem like quite a dysfunctional family....thought they weren't invented until 1970's or so, hehe. Well, maybe that is when they were labelled as such.

Still they delight me with their antics, but just wait till I tell my mum that her granny's granda was a felon!

I once again thank you so much for the time you have put into this Annette.

Nina