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DavidWW
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Re: Asylum Death

Post by DavidWW » Fri Sep 30, 2005 9:51 am

Jeans girl wrote:Hello All,
I now have a reply from Andrew Dowsey re the kinross asylum death.
Interesting as he tells me that Agnes Venters father Hung himself and a sister of her fathers was also in an asylum.

The Father bit is interesting as her birth cert says illigitimate??? but on closer look at Marriage cert a father is listed and mother as married .
On Agnes death cert her mother is listed as being married to presumed father but dec.Father is listed as William Wemyss ???

There is a note to see reg of corrected entries . Where and how do we get info from them.??

I can get get access to the full medical files if i get permission from Christine Logue, Acting Medical records Manager, Fife NHS Primary Care Trust, Whytemans Brae Hospital, Whytemans Brae Kirkcaldy.

Thank You All
Margaret.
Margaret

For the moment, to get the content of the RCE entry you will have to order a certified copy of the register entry, and it will have the RCE text typed on the back, - if you go this route, just to make sure, make it clear that you need the RCE text.

Images of the RCE are ready waiting to come on line linked to the register images, i.e. pay the 5 credits for a register image and there will be a link to the RCE at no further cost, but, - there always a "but", - isn't there always :roll: , - there's a basic technical problem to be overcome so that 100% of the RCE links can be made and are reliable, and I've no idea what the scotlandspeople launch date is likely to be.

From your post I'm not clear which of the register entries has an RCE. If it's a death entry, then it's quite likely that the RCE entry will do little more than confirm the place etc., and cause of death.

If it's a birth entry RCE the could be more interesting, as it can sometimes refer to a Sheriff Court paternity action :shock:

In Scottish law the husband is automatically assumed to be the father and his name has to appear on the birth register entry. In exceptional circumstances, but only is he too attended the act of registration, could the actual father's name also appear on the register entry. Re-reading your post this doesn't appear to be the case here.

In the case of marriage and death register entries, the rules weren't so strict, and the name of a father involved in a birth registered as illegitimate was allowed to appear, as long as it was shown as "presumed" or "reputed".

David

Jeans girl
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Asylum Death

Post by Jeans girl » Sat Oct 01, 2005 11:43 pm

Hello David,

Thankyou for that information.
The RCE is on a Death cert.
I have birth cert for Agnes Wallace Illigitimate mother Mary Wallace.
Death cert for Mary Wallace as Single.
Marriage cert for Agnes Wallace Parents William Wemyss dec &Mary Wemyss ms Wallace ??? dec.
Death cert for Agnes Venters ms Wemyss is the one with corrected entry on it.
Would I be right in presuming it would be to correct the parentage of
Agnes venters??

It all gets quite complicated at times.It is this William Wemyss who is believed to have hung himself. I have yet to trace him.

many thanks
Margaret.