Camlachie bottle works

[littlealison]

Alan, here's what some of them looked like in 1868:
http://special.lib.gla.ac.uk/exhibns/month/Mar2006.html
You mey have seen this already - maybe others haven't.

I've seen places like this, single-ends in Dundee, in 1958, I was fascinated at the time but to think of living there....although I did as a student live on the ground floor of a 'plettie' tenement. The family next door (in 1961) had six kids in two rooms.............we were two sharing....

But back to the bottle works.
WilmaM, Broad St and Biggar St are in line, do you suppose...it once just crossed the Gallowgate?

The railway has 'Parkhead Junction' written across it, can anyone place this in date?

Alan - I went through the 1850s looking at the Glasgow Herald, and found a site sold in 1856 which is on the Cathcart Road, only it's a tile works with a kiln, which could be the round building. It's odd that this building is by itself with no attached sheds etc.
The only year that the Cathcart Road site is mentioned is in 1863 (yes, I found it!), when Stevenson and Little were starting up and applied to build the building that I think is the one on the map, square with a chimney in the middle - do you think one of them maybe owned this site, but they decided that Camlachie was a better bet? No more brickworks found.

This square building would fit the description of a works with pots for the glass round a furnace in the middle, not yet a tank with continuous production of molten glass. (Too early).
The building of bottle cones was giving way to sheds with non-inflammable metal roofs.

"Archibald Connel Stevenson and John Little, glass bottle makers, Glasgow, to erect a building of one flat, and a chimney stalk attached thereto, in connection with a bottle work intended to be erected by them near Broad and Croft Streets." Application in September 1863.

Incidentally, Carson, Warren & Co, rival bottlemakers, were in the same list on the same day with an application for a very similar new building!

[Currie]

Thanks Alison,

I hadn’t seen that page, certainly very interesting and with great photographs. There’s more about the delights of living in Glasgow, but unfortunately no photographs, in “Midnight Scenes and Social Photographs: being sketches of life in the streets, wynds, and dens of the city”, 1858, by “Shadow”
http://www.archive.org/stream/cu3192403 ... 9/mode/2up

My internet connection tonight is about as fast as cold treacle and doesn’t want to look at anything difficult, especially the NLS maps, so I might skip the rest for the moment.

All the best,
Alan

[littlealison]

This book is really Glasgow at its worst, isn't it. All those people stuck in poverty. And no wonder they didn't appreciate his tracts!

I'm vaguely surprised that he didn't fulminate against the Britannia Music Hall in the Trongate - started the previous year, but maybe it didn't have the reputation it had later....it is still there, and the subject of a recent TV programme here, it is being renovated. (http://www.yelp.com/biz/britannia-panop ... ll-glasgow .)
In History:
“The Britannia opened in 1857 and featured many of the greatest stars of the music hall stage. It originally held 1500 people who went not just to see the stars, but to blow off steam; which they did by throwing rivets and urinating on acts that weren't quite up to scratch, gaining the audience a reputation for leaving ‘no turn un-stoned’.”
Not to mention the prostitutes plying their trade in the audience…..

My ggrandfather was 16 the year it started, and I would bet he didn't miss going there, I am beginning to think he was a bit of a wild child...........a lot of young boy apprentices went there, and I think he finished his in 1860….

Re the buildings photographed - one amazing thing is the contrast between these closes and the main streets they come off, where there are new and distinguished large stone offices
and houses...

[SarahND]

Hello Alison,

I mentioned in an earlier post that the directories showed that in the 1870s Mr Paul was at Coalhill Street, then in the 1880s at 74 Coalhill Street, and then a bit later on he’s at 74 Broad Street.

I’ve been comparing the 1850’s NLS Glasgow map to that for the 1890’s. I figure that the bottleworks was originally at the very end of Coalhill Street. When they put in the railway it cut across Broad Street and Coalhill Street. Coalhill then came to an end at the Parkhead Junction signal box. Broad became Broad Street East, you can see both ends of it.

They then built a completely new curved Broad Street, following the railway line, and joining up with the cut-off end of Coalhill Street. That part of Coalhill effectively became part of the new Broad.

You asked whether Broad Street Glasgow and Broad Street Camlachie may originally have been parts of the same street as they seem to be in line. The Camlachie one appears to have started at Great Eastern Road on both old maps and before it was curved version it does not seem to have lined up particularly well at all.

Here’s a Glasgow railways chronology which you can probably understand a lot better than I can. http://www.cat-flap.demon.co.uk/glasgow.htm

Hope I’m not lost again,
Alan

(Posted by SarahND but really from Currie)

[littlealison]

Thanks, SarahND, for posting this. I did realise the site was back, but haven't been well.
Now moving to John Little's grandfather, who was a weaver.....on that thread.

[dizzybint]

Im just researching these bottle works just now for a friend show gt grandfather was a glass blower in Broad st.. I lived in Broad st in Bridgeton. the one where the Langham Hall old cinema was and Mavor and Coulsons.. as well as part of Templetons.. so I was told by a friend who knows more than me that the glass factory was in fact in Biggar st once known as Broad street as well...My auntie lived in Arch st in Camlachie, next to the railway bridge..which crossed the Gallowgate at that point... now you woulndt recognise the place or ever know there was a wee district with shops and pubs, a school and church, and now all gone forever.. in a few years no one will remember it existed..

[dizzybint]

its been also mentioned that Broad st Milend was the first street in Bridgeton so I doubt it had anything to do with the Camlachie one..

[littlealison]

Hi Dizzybint - yes it's sad, isnt it, all these little villages in the city that have gone. Any city.
I remember bits of Dundee that aren't here any more.