Builders & Masons - are there records...built.....

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:57 pm

Hi all

Daniel Mcnicol, 1825-1872 owned property at 2 Queen Sq. and 1 Regents Park Sq. Glasgow. The rents due on these properties are mentioned in his will.
There is information about this development at Strathbungo on this site:
http://www.strathbungo.co.uk/
in the Strathbungo > Architecture area
where it says:

The next parts of the development to be built were 11-17 Moray Place, both sides of Regent Park Square and the north side of Queen Square, which were all built in 1864-1865, and the northern-most two tenement blocks of Regent Park Terrace on Pollokshaws Road, first occupied in 1865 and 1867.

Daniel Mcnicol was a builder & Master Mason ...and I now begin to wonder if he was involved in the building of these, which was something I hadn't considered before... does anyone know how I would go about following that one up?

Best wishes
Lesley

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 9:49 am

Lesley

You need to research what permissions were required back then before building could be started.

http://www.angus.gov.uk/history/archive ... fguild.htm gives a neat summary of the situation.

Then you need to contact The Mitchell in Glasgow to see what they know about extant Dean of Guild's record from the period of your interest.

David

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 10:41 am

David
Thanks - I hadn't a clue where to start with that one!

best wishes
Lesley

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 8:31 pm

Just an update - not much luck with this one so far...

This arrived today,

Dear Lesley,

Thank you for your e-mail of 26 October 2005.

I've searched our indexes and catalogues for any information on Daniel Mcnicol but unfortunately have been unable to find anything. We do hold Dean of Guild petitions but these only survive from 1885 onwards and tend to only give the name of the architect rather than the builder. The properties at Regent Park Square and Queen Square are listed buildings but the listing description doesn't even give a date of construction or architects name. The only information we may have on the building are any later alterations carried out to the properties after 1885.

The only other information we may have on Daniel Mcnicol is if he was a member of the Incorporation of Hammermen of Glasgow. We hold the records of the Incorporation (ref T-TH2) which includes membership rolls. If you would like to look at these records, then you are more than welcome to do so in our searchroom on level 2 of the Mitchell Library.

Yours sincerely

Lyn Morgan
Archivist

So, one to add to the list for the day I eventually make to the Mitchell!

Best wishes
Lesley

adownie · Post by **adownie** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:57 pm

As a resident of Strathbungo (Marywood Square) with an interest in local history, I can advise that the builders and developers of the Strathbungo Squares are unknown, with the exception of 1-10 Moray Place, by renowned Glasgow architect Alexander "Greek" Thomson. Another resident does have a fairly accurate picture of the dates the buildings were put up, however.

Andrew

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:52 am

Hi Andrew
....and a warm welcome to Talking Scot

Good to hear from a Strathbungo resident who knows the buildings mentioned, but I'm sorry to hear it is unlikely that a record of the builders does not exist.

I'd certainly be interested in the history of those two above addresses. It would be possible, I'm sure, to trace the sequence of owners in the sasines, held at NAS in Edinburgh, so maybe that should be my next port of call. But, should you have any further information, I'd be really interested.

Best wishes
Lesley

adownie · Post by **adownie** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 6:56 pm

We were planning to trace the residents through the census records, and the valuation rolls for c 1913 (can't remember exactly) which are on the internet, but it's a big project for the whole of Strathbungo, and hasn't really got started.

Also bear in mind the houses were renumbered probably in the 1930s; they used to run up one side and down the other, but now have odds on one side and evens on the other. 1 Regent Park Square and 2 Queen Park Square are now the side entrances to the tenements on the main (Pollokshaws) road, whereas they would probably have been the first and second houses in the terrace on the north side of their respective streets originally.

You can see the houses in some detail on the satellite pics at maps.google.co.uk.

Andrew

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:51 pm

Hi Andrew

We were planning to trace the residents

THese may be of interest:
http://talkingscot.com/forum/viewtopic. ... en+mcnicol
http://talkingscot.com/forum/viewtopic. ... nt+mcnicol

1 Regent Park Square and 2 Queen Park Square are now the side entrances to the tenements on the main (Pollokshaws) road, whereas they would probably have been the first and second houses in the terrace on the north side of their respective streets originally.
You can see the houses in some detail on the satellite pics at maps.google.co.uk.

Been there, taken photos...but from what you say, maybe the wrong houses!!

Thanks for that information .

Best wishes
Lesley

Post by **SarahND** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:26 pm

The name sounded familiar, so I just checked and indeed, I have distant relatives (half second cousins...) who were living at 3 Moray Place, Strathbungo in both the 1891 and 1901 census and I believe lived there for some years after that also. Have these numbers also changed since then?
Regards,
Sarah

adownie · Post by **adownie** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:56 pm

No, the houses on Moray Place are only on one side of the road, facing the railway line, so with a couple of exceptions, the numbers haven't changed. No 3 is two doors down from No 1, where the terrace's architect, Alexander "Greek" Thomson, himself lived. Thomson is considered Glasgow's foremost architect by many. I'm friends with those at No.3, so can assure you it's still there.