Vinliner.....

Andrew C. · Post by **Andrew C.** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 2:31 pm

Does anyone know what a vinliner is or was?

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:00 pm

Hi Andrew

Not a clue! Are you certain you have the correct spelling? Where did you find the reference to it? No chance it's really vintner is it??

Hmmmm

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Best wishes
Jean

Andrew C. · Post by **Andrew C.** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 4:38 pm

It was given as an occupation in the 1851 census.

Post by **AndrewP** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:04 pm

Hi Andrew,

Is the handwriting clear as Vinliner? Can you upload the certificate to the TalkingScot Gallery so that people can give their interpretations of this word. Without having seen it, another one that comes to mind if it is not vintner is milliner.

All the best,

AndrewP

Andrew C. · Post by **Andrew C.** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 5:12 pm

After further consideration it probably is Vintner. It was on freecen so it was typed vinliner however if the cross on the t was missing the up turn in the t might look like an i therefore vinliner instead on vintner. Was there much call for wine merchants in Aberdeen in the 1840's?

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 7:15 pm

Hi Andrew C
There is one way to be sure and see for yourself - the 1851 census pages are available on the Scotlands People site for a small fee!

Seriously, it looks like there was more than one:
The Commissariat Record of Aberdeen, Register of Testaments 1715-1800
mentions McHardy John 07/02/1842 Vintner in Aberdeen Aberdeen Sheriff Court Inventories
http://users.tinyonline.co.uk/amchardy/ ... aments.htm

...and on Scotland People, in the wills & testments there are quite a number of which these are a few:

Scorgie Robert 30/05/1854 Vintner in Aberdeen
Ross John 07/08/1829 sometime Mariner in Aberdeen, afterwards Vintner there
Barron Alexander 19/08/1835 Vintner in Aberdeen
Gillespie James 09/12/1868 Vintner residing in Aberdeen
Milne George 09/11/1842 spirit dealer and vintner, Castle St., Aberdeen

Looks like you'd have had nae probs finding a bottle of wine in Aberdeen!!

Best wishes
Lesley

Russell · Post by **Russell** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 7:41 pm

Hi Andrew C

You asked 'was there much call for vintners in the 1840's' ?
the early 1800's had no clean water supply on tap so to speak. Water was bought from blokes with a large barrel on a cart if you were in the city/town. Or a walk to the nearest public well. No checks on quality back then.

The best way to ensure the quality of what you drank was to ferment it first, so beer and wine were healthier than the stuff out the watersellers barrel.

A major import into Leith in the 1800's was French wines and by that time the better-off workers could afford an occasional luxury. Lots of the imports into Leith were trans-shipped further up the coast to be sold on and even as far north as Wick had its regular supply boats.

Beer was brewed in just about every third or fourth house for their own consumption and often to sell to others. Distillation was not approved of since it was taxed and brought in money for the government Rabbie Burns was an Exciseman for a while trying to catch people making or selling illegal whisky.

If you didn't want 'the flux' you drank beer. Low in alcohol but free from contamination.

Russell

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:36 pm

Andrew C. wrote:After further consideration it probably is Vintner. It was on freecen so it was typed vinliner however if the cross on the t was missing the up turn in the t might look like an i therefore vinliner instead on vintner. Was there much call for wine merchants in Aberdeen in the 1840's?

According to Freecen there were 35 vintners and 4 wine merchants in Aberdeen burgh in 1841.

Regards,
Annette M