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[paddyscar]

Just noticed Bo, that you are a new member. Let me welcome you to Talkingscot! We do hope you'll return often and join in the discussions.

As Russell said, we will help where we can, and we love a challenge. There are so many pockets of wonderful knowledge, as you are now aware, based on Russell's keen interest in weaving.

Again, Welcome.
Frances

[Bo]

Hi Russell, Paddyscar........ my gg grandfather... William Henry McGuire,
born according to childrens birth certs.... Glasgow 1805, jute weaver & soldier, presbyterian, joined scottish regiment 1822 north british district,
court martialed Edinburgh 1835.... sentenced to 14 yrs transported Australia......married Isabella Duncan Aitkin born Edinburgh 1814.. father William Aitkin mother Jane Harvey these two married irregular 1803 Coldstream Berwickshire William was a gentlemans servant, there first child born Edinburgh 1804 Alexander, then Margaret 1807 she died, then Margaret again 1811 then Isabella, all crist St Cuthberts Edinburgh.
Isabella came out to oz 1844 as a bounty emigrant, married William 1845, They had children William Henry, Alexander Aitkin, Elizabeth Strang,
Henry William, John Grant and Jane Margaret all born New England new South wales. Army life must have suited William as he was a well behaved soldier for most of his inlistment gaining additional pay for length of service untill 1831 when he began to get into trouble, one reward he received for this behaviour was the cat and 200 lashes, many stints in solitary and imprisond hard labour with the final punishment of transportation for striking his sergeant, which he had threaten to do in prior incidences. Williams discharge papers showed he was born at sea,
but registration records dont begin untill 1837 so no help there with a 1805 birth, may have been returning from the napoleonic wars
William became a free man in 1850 and died in 1888.

Thanks for your interest
Bo

[Russell]

Hi Bo

I have spent some time trying Google to see if anything could be brought up about births at sea prior to the first register being established and have come up with nothing. I think this may be a case of waiting to see if anything turns up when you are looking for something entirely different
This has happened to me a couple of times. One of my distant relatives was on board with Admiral Lord Nelson when he was fatally wounded - that was what I was looking for, when another part of the story involved another Fife sailor whose wife was also on board, she gave birth to a daughter during one of the earlier engagements. (I didn't know they had women on board fighting ships of the line but apparently they did)
Don't give up on it.
Scottish BDMs were later in starting(1855) than English ones so they are even less help to you.
Have you looked at our various links to matters military ? If you could make a link to his regiment then there may be other records still available at Kew.

It's so frustrating to have bits of information but not to have enough to be able to make them deliver up that essential date, time and place.

Russell

[joette]

What an interesting ancestor Bo.No Ag Lab being born,marrying & dying in the same Parish for him although that doesn't always guarantee you will find them.
I would be looking towards the Archives at Kew but what is aviable on-line as yet I am not sure.
Sounds like he rankled against someone he disliked who unfortunatelty had superiority over him.
I have nursed several veterans in the past & they told off at least two or three officers killed by their own men because they were such poor leaders ie they sent many men to their death unnneedlessly.This was true of those in the WW1 era especially.Today I think they call it "friendly fire"?
Oh & Welcome to TalkingScot.

[Bo]

Hello Russell & Joette,
Thanks for your replys and Im greatfull for your interest and your attempt to help. Yes Russell maybe one day I may stumble onto more info, genealogy has a prerequisite of patience patience patience, I have a lot by way of William`s service records, but as you would be aware researchers work by the clock and the dollar hence it would take hours and hours to go through every little tid bit looking for clues, It would be nice to go to Kew myself....... but I may have more chance of winning the lottery lol.
This is a top site and people are very friendly and helpful here, if I can help with oz records for any one on site let me know as I would be happy to try.
Thanks again
good luck to all in research.
Bo.

[LesleyB]

Hi Bo

court martialed Edinburgh 1835.... sentenced to 14 yrs transported Australia......

As the court was probably a military court I kinda doubt the records might be at the National Archives of Scotland (NAS) - I'm not sure on that one, but, as someone who has trawlled through films of those transported to Australia, I do know that at NAS there are microfilms of lists of convicts sent to Austrailia, listing ships from other places in UK, which docked to pick up convicts in Scotland - but again, anything military may be different, I don't know. I wonder if it might be possible to order these films through an LDS family history centre?

This is a top site and people are very friendly and helpful here

Thanks! We try our best here - if we can't help you directly with this issue, do post any other niggling problems you may have.
Best wishes
Lesley

[Stan]

Hi Bo

Currently I'm in the final stages of putting a book together for my family on my gr gr grandfather, William Henry McGuire, after he arrived in Australia- concentrating on his son Alexander Aitken's descendants. I would be most keen to find out more about William Henry's army record and the fact that his discharge papers state he was "born at sea". I'd also be delighted to receive any information relating to William Henry, especially before he left Scotland. Stan

[SarahND]

Hello Stan and
I see that Bo has not visited this site since July of 2007, so am not sure whether he will see your post. You might try sending him a private message by clicking on the pm button under one of his posts. If he still has the same e-mail address, he should get a notification.

All the best,
Sarah

[johnniegarve]

Weaving and spinning were cottage industries. This was swept away by the Industrial Revolution and the building of large mills in areas where there was abundant water power, New Lanark for example. Advances in steam power meant that cotton mills could be located in the cities where there was better transport links and access to coal and labour. The West of Scotland attracted skilled operatives from Ireland from before the famine of the 1840s. Many subsequently travelled on to Dundee and the jute mills.

[littlealison]

You may be interested in this link - it shows at least one page which fits my family well, as Thomas Little, weaver, married in 1786, had a son Thomas who was a labourer......(but possibly a labourer in a glassworks)

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=glasgow+ ... x=50&ty=53
- a short history of changes in the weaving trade. (I'm glad this link gets shortened!)

And a photo which intrigued me, and I'd like to ask if anyone has seen this exhibition and the photo and if they can tell me any more about it.
http://www.aboutuswithoutus.com/2012/04 ... -1777.html
I'd estimate it as an early photo, perhaps 1860s. It looks, though, as if it was posed to make a political point, like a cartoon. Can anyone tell me any more?