Which one?

Post by **AndrewP** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:29 pm

His death certificate is easily found given your clues above. A few years before the 1881 census, he is listed as a widower, as informed by the poorhouse assistant governor. So far I haven't seen any obvious sign of Mary's death registration.

Daniel's (Barnhill) poorhouse records may be the next place to narrow her death down.

And an IGI parent search using the parents' names given on his death certificate leads to the OPRs for the baptsims of him and six siblings, all except for the eldest in Paisley Abbey parish (that would take in Johnstone). And then to the parents' marriage, found in the Paisley Abbey OPR as well as the birthplace of child #1.

All the best,

AndrewP

Post by **SarahND** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:34 am

Okay, I think I found Mary Niblock's birth in a very roundabout fashion... I tried to find all the Niblock births in Renfrew, since there weren't that many. One birth in particular intrigued me for two reasons: 1) because the parents' names fit with Mary's children's names and 2) because it was in Abbey, which was the parish for Johnstone, where our Mary was supposed to have been born:

John Niblock
Christening: 27 Apr 1805 Abbey (Paisley), Renfrew
Father: Samual Niblock
Mother: Katharine Kun

I searched on SP for a Mary n*bl*, father sam*, mother *ath* and found one in Abbey, Renfrew in 1804. After many fiddlings around with the surname, I finally saw that Mary's last name was given as Niblet

So I searched on the IGI for Mary Niblet born 1804 in Renfrew and there she was:

Mary Niblet
Christening: 22 Jan 1804 Abbey (Paisley), Renfrew
Father: Samual Niblet
Mother: Katharin Kein

Clearly the same parents as John born 1805

I'll be interested to see if her death certificate confirms this!

All the best,
Sarah

crayspond · Post by **crayspond** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:18 am

Wow, i woke up this morning to a whole new family i never knew about!
Sarah and Andrew you two should be on TV - Talking Scot Investigates never mind CSI Miami

Seriously that is very impressive and i am very grateful indeed. A few years ago i looked into the name Niblock - at that time there wasn't a lot of places to look and i gave up in frustration - the name went back and forward to Ireland and Scotland - I have it on Jane's marriage cert as Nibleck.
Funny that in 1861 Daniel (56) was transcribed as David which is what i have done on his marriage cert in 1862 - i think it is the flowing writing that turns up the d's and the l's (if you know what i mean). Also on that cert the witnesses are Samuel Mitchell and William Bush (Bush could be the William Baw nephew on the 1851 census)?
Poor Daniel in the poorhouse in 1871 (notice name has reverted back to Daniel).
Andrew - you mentioned his parents name for the IGI search what were there names?
You know Johnstone in Renfrewshire never has been mentioned in our family although when i was growing up we lived in Clydebank then Scotstoun which is only a hop skip and jump across the Renfrew Ferry, which i was on many times.
Well done Sarah finding Mary - i think i would be hopeless on ancestry - Niblock to Niblet , Kun to Kein

I have printed it all out to make more sense of it and will look for Mary's death cert.
Many thanks again and keep up the great work.
Ailsa

Post by **SarahND** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:52 am

crayspond wrote: Andrew - you mentioned his parents name for the IGI search what were there names?

I think Andrew wanted to save for you the fun of discovering them yourself on Daniel's death cert!

Since he's your ancestor, you'll want to get the certificate anyway, but I found them on the IGI with no trouble from the hints he gave. Go to Hugh Wallis' IGI batch number site:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com ... #PageTitle

Click on Renfrew, then choose the appropriate batch number for Abbey christenings to include his birth year (Batch number C119581 as it turns out). Put Mitchell in the surname box and submit. There is only one Daniel in the list. Now you know his parents and can do a parent search for the rest of the family

Have fun with the Niblets

Sarah

Post by **AndrewP** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:40 am

SarahND wrote:
crayspond wrote: Andrew - you mentioned his parents name for the IGI search what were there names?
I think Andrew wanted to save for you the fun of discovering them yourself on Daniel's death cert! Since he's your ancestor, you'll want to get the certificate anyway,...

Hi Ailsa,

On ScotlandsPeople, use the following criteria and you will find his death certificate easily.

Surname: MITCHELL
Forename: DANIEL
Year From: 1871
Year To: 1900
Birth Year: 1804 ± 5 years
County/City: GLASGOW CITY

All the best,

AndrewP

crayspond · Post by **crayspond** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:13 am

Andrew and Sarah,
Thanks for the tips. I printed Daniel's death cert - he died in Barnhill Poorhouse - was that actually in the district of Dennistoun ?- age 71 on 27/07/1876. pauper - formally cotton spinner. Quite sad really - the first pauper i have come across in researching my family. It says cause of death Hamophtysis. Parents Archibald Mitchell - cotton spinner dec and Elizabeth Mitchell m.s McPhee (i have a McPhee somewhere else).
Also below is IGI of the family of Elizabeth and Archibald.

. ELIZABETH MITCHAL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 24 JUN 1798 Abbey (Paisley), Renfrew, Scotland
2. JANET MITCHAL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 28 DEC 1806 Abbey (Paisley), Renfrew, Scotland
3. JAMES MITCHAL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 10 JAN 1796 Abbey (Paisley), Renfrew, Scotland
4. ANDREW MITCHAL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 01 MAR 1801 Abbey (Paisley), Renfrew, Scotland
5. DANIEL MITCHAL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 13 NOV 1803 Abbey (Paisley), Renfrew, Scotland

Excellent to get back to 1796 - thanks for the help.

Ailsa

Russell · Post by **Russell** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:48 am

Hi Ailsa

Just a comment about his cause of death. Probably Haemoptysis coughing up of blood - which usually was a terminal consequence of Respiratory Tuberculosis. An all too common complaint and cause of death in those days.

I hope his details from the poorhouse give a wealth of additional information. That usually sets you off searching in about three directions at once !

Russell

crayspond · Post by **crayspond** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:52 am

Me again,

Just trying to find Mary Mitchell (Niblock)'s death certificate and it's proving to be difficult. I have narrowed it down to after she was on the 1861 census to when Daniel died in 1876 (It says widower on his cert). I put the info in the search - Mary Mitchell born 1804 +- 3 years i have tried putting in Niblock but that comes up with nil, putting only Glasgow city comes up with only 4 - none are her. I put in mothers surname - nil. Then i tried all areas and i have 38 but i can't see any that fit.
Anyone any ideas?

Ailsa

Post by **AndrewP** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:14 am

Hi Ailsa,

The full group of children I found are as follows.

CHRISTIAN MITCHALL - Christening: 09 DEC 1792 Lochwinnoch, Renfrew, Scotland
JAMES MITCHAL - Christening: 10 JAN 1796 Abbey (Paisley), Renfrew, Scotland
ELIZABETH MITCHAL - Christening: 24 JUN 1798 Abbey (Paisley), Renfrew, Scotland
ANDREW MITCHAL - Christening: 01 MAR 1801 Abbey (Paisley), Renfrew, Scotland
DANIEL MITCHAL - Christening: 13 NOV 1803 Abbey (Paisley), Renfrew, Scotland
JANET MITCHAL - Christening: 28 DEC 1806 Abbey (Paisley), Renfrew, Scotland
ARCHBALD MITCHELL - Christening: 28 OCT 1810 Abbey (Paisley), Renfrew, Scotland

And the parents marriage OPRs in Lochwinnoch and Abbey (Paisley).

All the best,

AndrewP

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:15 am

Hi Ailsa,

I searched for Mary Mitchell/Nib* with no age or birth year and there is one in 1868.

Regards,
Annette