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[crayspond]

Hi Tracey,
You have been a great help, i have been looking at all the info you gave me with great interest.
The first sighting of Margaret in the 1861 census looks promising, it does not say she is a widow however it does say son and daughter in law ? but does not show anyone old enough to be married? confusing. Hellen and John would be new to me but both would have been born after the 1851 census - so it could be them. James and Isabella would have been old enough to have moved out. Also the census is in Perth but they could have moved back there from Glasgow after 1851. It has Dougal as an apprentice baker and on Margaret's (his mother) marriage cert is has her father's occupation as Baker, that could be a connection.
If anyone could narrow them down on SP in the 1861 census, i don't mind using 5 credits to look at the original. I end up spending loads on searching for the correct entry!

This might be her that you found also. They might have been flitting between Perth and Glasgow.

Name: Margaret McFarlane
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relationship: Daughter
Mother's Name: Margaret
Gender: Female
Where born: Glasgow, Lanark
Registration Number: 644/8
Registration district: Anderston
Civil Parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 44 Dumbarton Rd
ED: 72
Household schedule number: 25
Line: 6
Roll: CSSCT1861_109
Household Members: Name Age
John McFarlane 10
Margaret McFarlane 41
Margaret McFarlane 18

I am going to have a look at marriages forIsabella and William Thomson. I will let you know ow i get on.

Thanks again,
Ailsa

[Tracey]

Ailsa

Dont know if you have seen this but LDS has these childrens births to an Isabella McFarlane and William Thompson

1. ISABELLA THOMSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 06 APR 1866 Govan, Lanark, Scotland

2. WILLIAM THOMSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 18 JAN 1860 Govan, Lanark, Scotland

3. ROBERT THOMSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 31 JAN 1864 Govan, Lanark, Scotland

4. MARGARET CHRISTIE THOMSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 19 JUL 1858 Perth, Perth, Scotland

5. ELIZABETH LANG THOMPSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 19 OCT 1861 Milton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

[Tracey]

I posted both census places because most of the children were born in Partick and parents were born in Perth so covered all events just incase !

Looked for the men on 1871 but i am on a wild goose chase.
By now i would assume most are married and as i dont know this family like you do i havnt a clue of who the maybe's are, and is there a possibility that the others went to Ireland with James ? or James followed his siblings out ?.
Someone with good wild card skills might have the answer for what i cant find.

Tracey

[Tracey]

p.s James occupation on the 1861 census is also App Baker

[crayspond]

Hi Tracey,

Result - marriage cert of William Thomson and Isabella McFarlane 1857 in Perth! but both born in Partick! Father Dougald McFarlane (deceased) Mother Margaret Christie.
Well done Tracey, it's when people like yourself flag up another avenue to go down that makes this site unbeatable. Thanks a lot!
I wouldn't mind a help with the cert from anyone who fancies having a look especially addresses. I will put it on the gallery.
http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... ?pos=-1695
Thanks,
Ailsa

URL added by Frances

[paddyscar]

Hi Ailsa:

This is how I read the certificate:

On the second day of October 1857 at Perth. Marriage (after banns) was solemnized between us according to the forms of the Established Church of Scotland.
(Signed)
William Thomson, 20
3 Newton Street, Partick, Parish of Govan
Mason Journeyman, Bachelor
Parents: William Thomson, Store Keeper
Elizabeth Thomson, Maidenname Laing

(Signed) Isabella McFarlane, 20
Bruce Place Partick, Parish of Govan
Domestic Service, Spinster
Parents: Dugald McFarlane, ????, deceased
??? McFarlane
Maiden name Christie

Witnesses:
(Signed)Archibald Fleming, Minister of Perth Church Parish
(Signed) Robert Thomson, Witness
John Christie, Witness

[crayspond]

Thanks Paddyscar,

I was struggling with a few words i.e the Established church and the addresses in Partick.
The witnesses are good because i would imagine John Christie - might be Margaret's brother and that could help me find her family in the census. I know her father is James from her marriage cert.
Also i now know Dougald died 1857 or before that might help me also.

Thanks for the help,

Ailsa

[crayspond]

Hi All,
Well, I narrowed down when Dougald may have died and and typed in how his name was written on Isabella's marriage cert (Dugald) and 1 match came up. Father Dugald - Mother Garvie.
Sadly it was his, he died in 1856 - however he committed suicide by drowning in the River Clyde. Never discussed in our family (and my mum is still alive, he would have been her gt gt grandfather).
I can't really make out what is says after the death report - i will post it and maybe someone can help me.
Also i have had no luck with the newspaper searches - can anyone who can find their way round them please have a look and see if there is any reports of it in the Newspapers. I would be very grateful.

Regards,

Ailsa

[LesleyB]

Parents: Dugald McFarlane, [looks like] Saw? Sharper?, deceased
Margaret McFarlane
Maiden name Christie (I'd agree it looks like Christie)

Was the father's occupation on the death entry? (its bugging me now! )

[Tracey]

On the 1851 census his occupation is Saw Sharpener

Name: Dugald McFarlane
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Relationship: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Dunning, Perth
Parish Number: 646
Civil Parish: Govan
Town: Partick
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Dumbarton Road Bruce Place
Occupation: Saw Sharpener