Thanks for all that Alan. Exellent reporting as usual! The waters are still somewhat muddy though. It surely appears that the unruly Mr. William Rose met his demise in Edinburgh Prison just 10 days after his application was was received. His DC reveals he died of Bronchitis and affection of the head fever and one other word I can't make out! One wonders just how long he had been languishing there....hmmm.
Regardless, his wife is named as Agnes and his occupation is Mason and sure enough the 1861 census shows just one William Rose, Mason, who happens to have a wife named Agnes residing in that neighborhood of the "Hill". Sadly they are enumerated in 1861 at 356 Castlehill with a neice and 3 boarders with them and even more families in the same inbabited house. The family enumerated just prior to his is one William Hay who also has a wife Agnes and 8 lovely weans. This is the family listed at 354 and is the only family at that number in that inhabited house! The header summary for 1861 states the section includes the south side of Castlehill from Assembly Hall to the Esplanade which is numbers 348-384 and all Closes and Courts between. ALso Castle Wynd East side from Castlehill to Johnston Terrace.
By 1871 there is no William Rose in Castlehill but Agnes has stuck around and is still enumerated at 356. There are a couple of other families in the same building. The address enumerated just prior to her's now is NOT 354 but 6 Boswell's Close. Matter of fact the enumerators walk begins with 2 Boswell's Close. I may be missing it but from clicking forward and back do not find anyone yet at number 354 or am not finding it listed as uninhabited. The header summary states the section includes the south side of Castlehill from the Assembly Hall to the Esplanade which is numbers 352-384 inclusive and all Closes and Courts between those numbers. ALso Castle Wynd East side from Castlehill to Johnston Terrace.
Still stuck.....
Best wishes
Jean
Edinburgh 1891 - 1901
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Hi Wonka2 !WilmaM wrote: One way to discover where an address was at the time is to look at the 'header' pages of the census [free] on ScotlandsPeople, that way you find the area and route the census returns were taken.
Took your advice and had a look at the 'header' on the 1891 Census and this is what it reads: Mound Place, Nos. 1 & 2 and house in connection with Free Church College, Ramsay ......, Ramsay Gardens, Castle Hill (South side) from ....... Church westwards to No. 384 inclusive embracing Boswells Close and Blairs Close, Castle Bank and Johnston Terrace (north side); being No. 16 only. Note This District includes the Janitor's house in connection with Castle Hill School.
I'm still a blank, but it might shine some light on the subject to someone else.
I've only got the transcribed Census for 1881 - I'll see if I can find the actual image.
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Thanks Jean, for the info about William Rose. At first thought I was a bit disappointed with William as I thought he was on the straight and narrow, what with applying for a licence and all. But now it looks as though his wife may have been the villain.
It’s in the Caledonian Mercury of February 14, 1863. William Rose and Agnes Purves or Rose, residing in Castlehill, were charged with selling spirits to Catherine M’Ginnes or Hennesey on 1st February, without having a certificate, it being their second offence. It seems that Mrs Rose did the selling but because William was somewhere in the house at the time, although not in sight of the transaction or having any knowledge of it, he got £15 or 3 months. A whole lot of legal argument didn’t help one iota. “He is to be punished for not selling the spirits, I suppose” said the lawyer.
It looks like the punishment ended up being a death sentence. He probably should have stuck to his day job of chipping rocks.
I can’t think of anything much else regarding the address. I suppose this sort of small business would most likely need to be some sort of a shopfront maybe with included residence otherwise the keeper would be up for two lots of rent. Most refreshment rooms seem to be at Railway Stations or Steamer Wharves. I guess it would have to be somewhere there is plenty of passing trade otherwise they could be wasting their time.
All the best,
Alan
It’s in the Caledonian Mercury of February 14, 1863. William Rose and Agnes Purves or Rose, residing in Castlehill, were charged with selling spirits to Catherine M’Ginnes or Hennesey on 1st February, without having a certificate, it being their second offence. It seems that Mrs Rose did the selling but because William was somewhere in the house at the time, although not in sight of the transaction or having any knowledge of it, he got £15 or 3 months. A whole lot of legal argument didn’t help one iota. “He is to be punished for not selling the spirits, I suppose” said the lawyer.
It looks like the punishment ended up being a death sentence. He probably should have stuck to his day job of chipping rocks.
I can’t think of anything much else regarding the address. I suppose this sort of small business would most likely need to be some sort of a shopfront maybe with included residence otherwise the keeper would be up for two lots of rent. Most refreshment rooms seem to be at Railway Stations or Steamer Wharves. I guess it would have to be somewhere there is plenty of passing trade otherwise they could be wasting their time.
All the best,
Alan