philip Duncan

[SarahND]

There is a Philip Duncan on the incoming passenger list.I don't have access to details at home but maybe you've looked at that one Sarah.

No, I haven't. Which one do you mean?

Regards,
Sarah

[maggie]

Hello Annette & Sarah
i can't believe it's been so long since i was working on this project it just sortve got shelved but now time is running out to try to get something cobbled together my daughter has been giving me a nudge. Life just seems to fly bye and i was wondering if you two ladies would kindly have another look at this with me please ??

here are the facts that i know
Philip McRae Duncan married Mary Jane Smith in 1893 York
(i have now got the wedding certificate)
Philips father is recorded as being William Duncan deceased occupation publician
Philips age is given as 28 bachelor occupation Fitter

In the 1901 Philip is not at home with mary & the children

I have his death in 1913 York but with being an English death obviously no details that help me find out who he was or where he came from other than my hunch of Scotland with the Mcrae middle name.
any help will be appreciated
kind regards maggie

[nelmit]

When I searched Ancestry for him again I found this -

Name: Philip Mckre Duncan
Birth Place: York
Death Date: 18 Apr 1917
Death Location: France & Flanders
Enlistment Location: Bridge of Earn, Perthshire
Rank: Private
Regiment: Black Watch (Royal Highlanders)
Battalion: 7th (Fife) Battalion (Territorial)
Number: 291467
Type of Casualty: Died of wounds
Theater of War: Western European Theatre

Ok this has to be his son I would think.

This is the one we found earlier - parents William Duncan and Isabella McKie/Mcrae in 1871 at Dalkeith, Midlothian.

William Duncan 33
Isabella Duncan 26
Henrietta Duncan 9
Philip Duncan 5 born Dalkeith
Agnes Duncan 4
Isabella Duncan 2
Robert Duncan 1 mo
Marin Mcrae 12
Adam Deans 21
James Borron 24

and here he is again in 1881 still at Dalkeith-

Robert Atkinson 36
Agnes Atkinson 35
Robert M Atkinson 7
Elizabeth P Atkinson 5
Alexander Atkinson 3
William Atkinson 5 Month
Philip Duncan 16 born Dalkeith, Grate Fitter in Iron Works

Regards,
Annette

[AndrewP]

When I searched Ancestry for him again I found this -

Name: Philip Mckre Duncan
Birth Place: York
Death Date: 18 Apr 1917
Death Location: France & Flanders
Enlistment Location: Bridge of Earn, Perthshire
Rank: Private
Regiment: Black Watch (Royal Highlanders)
Battalion: 7th (Fife) Battalion (Territorial)
Number: 291467
Type of Casualty: Died of wounds
Theater of War: Western European Theatre

Regards,
Annette

The CWGC has the following info on this man:

• Name: DUNCAN, P. McK.
  Initials: P M
  Nationality: United Kingdom
  Rank: Private
  Regiment/Service: Black Watch (Royal Highlanders)
  Unit Text: 7th Bn.
  Date of Death: 18/04/1917
  Service No: 291467
  Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
  Grave/Memorial Reference: II. B. 15.
  Cemetery: AUBIGNY COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION

And the SNWM has the following info:

• Surname DUNCAN
  Firstname Philip McKre
  Service Number 291467
  Date Death 18/04/1917
  Decoration
  Place of birth York
  Other 7th Bn.
  SNWM roll THE BLACK WATCH (ROYAL HIGHLANDERS)
  Rank Pte
  Theatre of death F.& F.

All the best,

AndrewP

[maggie]

Hello Annette & Andrew
Thankyou both very much for your help it is appreciated
yes i agree that is his son i had looked at it on ancestry but had only paid to look at 2 pages(being stingy with credits and trying to make them stretch out) as the 2nd page said he was discharged from service after 31 days
Not likely to become an efficient soldier was the reason recorded .Your information shows that i was wrong not to look at the rest of the document .How very sad that he gave his life for his country and paid the ultimate price when they had classed him as being inefficient i will download the rest of the document when i have done this thankyou so much for pointing it out.

as for his father yes i have him in the 1871 census and the 1881 its the 1891 & 1901 that remains a mystery to his wherabouts he was in York in 1893 for his marriage so in 1891 he could possibly have been still in Scotland But his wife & children where home alone in 1901 in York.
I have had a look at his parents marriage in 1862 and found their deaths in 1871 & 1876
Philips occupation on the marriage cert in 1893
is Fitter father recorded as William occupation publican though Williams occupation is a bootcloser on both his marriage & death certs so not alchol related at all.
Thankyou both once again kind regards maggie

[maggie]

Hello
i have found a P Mcrae age 37 in the 1901 census in Aldershot hampshire in the military in Stanhope & Wellington lines
born abt 1864 Midlothian a married corporal not sure in which regiment
Does anyone think that this could possibly be the missing Philip Mcrae Duncan that i am seeking ?????
I have had a look on sp for births of Philip Mcrae in Midlothian and can't see a match.
Where would i go from here to try to prove it's him ??
all suggestions gratefully received kind regards maggie

[Currie]

Hello Maggie,

No help with 1901, but in 1911 they’re all in Yorkshire.

Last names, First names, Sex, Birth year, Age in 1911, District, County
DUNCAN, PHILIP, M, 1864, 47, York, Yorkshire East Riding (with York)
DUNCAN, MARY JANE, F, 1871, 40, York, Yorkshire East Riding (with York)
DUNCAN, PHILIP MCRAA, M, 1898, 13, York, Yorkshire East Riding (with York)
DUNCAN, GEORGES MCRAA, F, 1897, 14, York, Yorkshire East Riding (with York)
DUNCAN, KEWETH MCRAA, M, 1895, 16, York, Yorkshire East Riding (with York)

(Their spelling, not mine)
http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx?5

All the best,
Alan

[maggie]

Hello Alan
thankyou ever so much i had no idea that i could see the 1911 or if i had i surely had forgotton
i will take a proper look at it now i have been at this since 6.00am as the lady it's for retires on thursday and my daughter wanted this as a surprise for her
her words where just a few bits of paper mum would make her happy as my daughter had discussed our tree with her .
so thanks once again Alan
kind regards
maggie

[maggie]

Hello Alan
yes its them ok and the best bit is yes he was born in Dalkeith so all that searching on sp was worth it
thanks once again
maggie

[nelmit]

Yaaaaaaay - well done Alan it didn't even enter my head to look for him in 1911!!

Regards,
Annette