Princes Sq. Glasgow - En. Dist name in 1891 please? .....

WilmaM · Post by **WilmaM** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 10:10 pm

Relating places we know well to official numbers doesn't always seem to work out does it

At least Lesley seems to have tracked the right place down.

Davie · Post by **Davie** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:17 pm

Greetin's Yoosyins
Like Annette, I also live oan the sou'side nooadays, but originally an Eastender.
I was having a few ales in Sammy Dow's the day.
It wiz fairly bucketin' doon but I took a few pics o' marywood Sqare at 5 pm the night.
http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/dauvit ... .dir=/b24a

Hope yeese kin view thaem ok
Davie

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:26 pm

Hi All

Been busy, but got him well and truly "sorted" now, including:

1881 census
Dwelling: 28 Regent Park Ter
Census Place: Govan, Lanark, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203682 GRO Ref Volume 644-14 EnumDist 33 Page 22

William DUFF M 71 M Tarbet, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Cotton Yarn Merchant
Agnes DUFF M 51 F Glasgow
Rel: Wife
John DUFF U 26 M Eastwood, Renfrew, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Clerk
Flora DUFF U 21 F Eastwood, Renfrew, Scotland
Rel: Daur
John W. ROSS U 17 M Melbourne Victoria
Rel: Nephew
Occ: Scholar
Sarah HAMILTON U 23 F Maybole, Ayr, Scotland
Rel: Serv
Occ: Dom Serv

1891 DUFF JOHN M 35 KINNING PARK GLASGOW CITY LANARK 644/14 034/14 014
27 Princes Square, Strathbungo - 10 rooms with one or more windows
William Duff H M 82 Cotton Yarn Merchant, employer, born Rosshire, Tarbat, spoke G&E
Agnes Duff wife married 60, born Glasgow
John Duff son un 35, Cotton Yarn Merchants Cashier born Renfrewshire, Shawlands
Rose McGinn servant un 19 General Servant (Domestic) born Ireland.

Born 1855 - just brilliant! Got that too...
and lots more besides.

but I could have wasted a lot of time and money without that Kinning Park nudge, so many thanks.
And thanks for taking the pictures, Davie.

Best wishes
Lesley

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:49 am

A minor point, learnt from the poor relief abbreviations, - around that time, "S.S." or plain "SS" was the shorthand for South Side, i.e. south of the Clyde.

David

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 9:20 am

Ahhhh. I hadn't come across that before. Thanks for that interesting insight, David.

Best wishes
Lesley

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 9:30 am

DavidWW wrote:A minor point, learnt from the poor relief abbreviations, - around that time, "S.S." or plain "SS" was the shorthand for South Side, i.e. south of the Clyde.

David

Hi all,

Sorry I took it for granted that everyone would know that.
The S.1 (South 1) is like our old postcodes. These days it's G41.

Districts included C - Central, W - West, N - North, E - East. SW - South West etc. etc. The farther from the centre of Glasgow you were the higher the number.

Regards,
Annette M

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 9:51 am

lbathgate wrote:Ahhhh. I hadn't come across that before. Thanks for that interesting insight, David.

Best wishes
Lesley

For those not familiar with poor relief records, the inspectors' reports, where extant, often provide a mini-biography, often going back to the parents of the applicant and spouse, as well as giving a detailed place of birth for the applicant and spouse, quite often down to the level of townland for those born in Ireland.

The Glasgow inspectors' reports are particularly good, but a consequence of that is that they often use abbreviations, especially for places.

To my eternal shame

, being a Soosider of 12 years residence - a couple of miles south of Jack McLean, plus 4 years earlier residence on the southern limits of Shawlands on the very banks of the Cart (Black or White?, - cannae mind), - if we wanted to impress someone we stretched it and said Newlands

, - it took me several years to crack the code, so to speak, for the abbreviation "SS"

David

Davie · Post by **Davie** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 11:24 am

Greetin's all
From the PO directory 1893

Prlnce's Sq., Strathbungo.
2 Lawrtnce, Alex. S.
4 Muriay, Alex.
5 Ramsay, William
6 Hill, William
7 Black, h. S.
9 Boyd, John. H. 8I.I. of schools
10 Thomson, Henry
11 Hamilton, R.
12 Graham, D.
13 Roxburgh, William
15 Napier, James
17 Stewart, W. S.
19 Henderson, William T.
20 Fulton, John
21 Roger. W. Wood
22 Anderson, R. B.
23 Brown, Thomas, jun
24 Wilson, William
25 More, Robert, jun.
27 Duff, J.
28 Strang, William
29 Thomson, S. M., Jf.A.
30 Hunter, Robert
31 Kennedy, A. S.
32 Connell, Robert
33 Gibson, John
34 Lawrie, J. W.
36 Niven, Rev. T. B. W.
37 Docherty. ,1. L. C.
88 Wilson, Wm.
39 Laidlaw, John
40 Stevenson, Wm, jun.
41 M'Creath, George
43 Gordon, David R.
44 Smith, R. M'G.
45 Aitken, James
46 Simpson, Rev. Alex. B.A.. B.Sc
48 Stevenson, Alex.
50 Lazenby, Kev. Albert

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:22 pm

Thanks Davie.

And here is the marriage entry I was having trouble reading:
http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... p?pos=-243

Quality is not good but I think its (dodgy bits in italic):
20 Dec 1888 27 Princes Sq. Strathbungo, after Banns etc. Established church.

James Powell, Ellie School Head-Master, batchelor
123 North John Street, Glasgow age 32
Flora Duff, Spinster, 27 Princes Sq. Strathbungo age 28

Thomas Powell School Master deceased & Jane Powell M.S. ?
Deceased.
William Duff Cotton Yarn Merchant and Agnes Duff m.s. Ross

can't make out minister, witnesses Mary N Parker John Duff
Last column, Dec 23rd then ?

Quick check on IGI and this seems to be him:
JAMES POWELL
Birth: 27 JUL 1856 Hutchesontown, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Father: THOMAS POWELL
Mother: JANE MCNAB

Though it might be McSomething, but its so unclear. Suspect it is McNab.

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 7:49 pm

One for a look at the original register. It could be McNab but it could be many other short Mc names as well !

If you contact GROS direct they will do their best to decipher it.

David