Forgive me if i've gotten confused
But i thought Alexander's parents were Alexander MATHIE & Elizabeth LETHAM....
The Alexander who married Mary Crossan must've died 1881 onwards.
Jack
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Re Alexander Mathie - DC 1865
Hi Maureen,
Forgive me if i've gotten confused
But i thought Alexander's parents were Alexander MATHIE & Elizabeth LETHAM....
The Alexander who married Mary Crossan must've died 1881 onwards.
Jack
Forgive me if i've gotten confused
But i thought Alexander's parents were Alexander MATHIE & Elizabeth LETHAM....
The Alexander who married Mary Crossan must've died 1881 onwards.
Jack
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I am completely confused
Looks like I am on the wrong track again.This old brain cannot take the strain.
That Alexander 's father was James.Stupid me and I am no better of now as I still can't find them .
Beginning to wonder if they came from some other country
Think I will give it a miss for now and recover some grey cells.
Cheers.
Looks like I am on the wrong track again.This old brain cannot take the strain.
That Alexander 's father was James.Stupid me and I am no better of now as I still can't find them .
Beginning to wonder if they came from some other country
Think I will give it a miss for now and recover some grey cells.
Cheers.
Maureen
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Re Ann "Mathie"
Hi Maureen,
A reason to why one of the hubbies is missing in 1861 - seems he left for a few months in 1861.
Ann "MATHIE" & hubby John HART don't appear to have been really happily married
And who knows? maybe she was glad he enlisted!
A photocopy of the original page can be got of this record from the Archives at The Mitchell. Check with them for costs.
http://www.glasgow.gov.uk/en/Residents/ ... llections/
Any queries on this record below, then please just say - i'll try to answer.
I notice Ann's & her father's surnames don't exactly match.
Jack
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Barony Parish Poor Relief Record. D-HEW 14/13 page 12972.
John HART's wife; Ann MATHEWSON.
Applied - 29 Jan 1862
Married 4yrs. Age 25; Husband 23.
Present residence - 78 Parly. Rd. [Parliamentary Rd.]
Born Parly. Rd; Husband, Ireland.
Cause if application - Absconded on Friday morning last & enlisted in Artillery Regt.
Occupation - Cotton Millworker.
He was recently working at Barnhill - pottery worker.
Children with -
Elis. 5, b Parliamentary Rd.
Mary 2 11/12, b Garngad. [2 11/12 = 2yrs 11mos]
Janet 2/12, B present house. [= 2mos]
Parents - Alexander MATHEW & Eliz LETHAM. bd [= both dead]
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Residences -
Present ----------------------- Barony, 5mos
Prior - 32 Parliamentary Rd, Barony, 4mos
161 Castle St.(her husband left for mos), Barony, 1yr
Garngad Hill, Glasgow, 1yr 9mos
46 Parly Rd, (here married), Glasgow, 3yrs
Meuse Lane, Cowcaddens, -------------
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23 Sep 1862. I have made enquiry at Mr McOmish, House Factor respecting John Hart's residences.
From his books it appears that he resided with his father from 1849 to 1856 (Augt. 1856 May 1849) in
Nos 46 Parliamentary Rd, Barony Parish - in which place he was married & resided with his wife for 3yrs,
then Garngad Hill 1yr 9mos, then 161 Castle St, 1 yr, Barony, then 32 Parly Rd 4mos, then 78 Parly Rd
where the present application was made by his wife.
Mrs Pollock, grocer?, Parly Rd certifies to the time John Hart also resided with his father.
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Subsequent Proceedings -
29 Jan 1862 - Po. Ho. [Poor House]
10 Sep 1862 - Po. Ho. ad here. [admit here]
25 Sep 1862 - Roll 3/ w. [3/- per week]
21 Nov 1862 - Grant blanket flannel & mattress.
20 Nov 1862 - Grant 1/6 w interior relief 4w. [for 4 weeks]
10 Dec 1862 - Restore.
5 Feb 1863 - con & pay m. [continue & pay monthly]
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A reason to why one of the hubbies is missing in 1861 - seems he left for a few months in 1861.
Ann "MATHIE" & hubby John HART don't appear to have been really happily married
And who knows? maybe she was glad he enlisted!
A photocopy of the original page can be got of this record from the Archives at The Mitchell. Check with them for costs.
http://www.glasgow.gov.uk/en/Residents/ ... llections/
Any queries on this record below, then please just say - i'll try to answer.
I notice Ann's & her father's surnames don't exactly match.
Jack
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Barony Parish Poor Relief Record. D-HEW 14/13 page 12972.
John HART's wife; Ann MATHEWSON.
Applied - 29 Jan 1862
Married 4yrs. Age 25; Husband 23.
Present residence - 78 Parly. Rd. [Parliamentary Rd.]
Born Parly. Rd; Husband, Ireland.
Cause if application - Absconded on Friday morning last & enlisted in Artillery Regt.
Occupation - Cotton Millworker.
He was recently working at Barnhill - pottery worker.
Children with -
Elis. 5, b Parliamentary Rd.
Mary 2 11/12, b Garngad. [2 11/12 = 2yrs 11mos]
Janet 2/12, B present house. [= 2mos]
Parents - Alexander MATHEW & Eliz LETHAM. bd [= both dead]
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Residences -
Present ----------------------- Barony, 5mos
Prior - 32 Parliamentary Rd, Barony, 4mos
161 Castle St.(her husband left for mos), Barony, 1yr
Garngad Hill, Glasgow, 1yr 9mos
46 Parly Rd, (here married), Glasgow, 3yrs
Meuse Lane, Cowcaddens, -------------
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23 Sep 1862. I have made enquiry at Mr McOmish, House Factor respecting John Hart's residences.
From his books it appears that he resided with his father from 1849 to 1856 (Augt. 1856 May 1849) in
Nos 46 Parliamentary Rd, Barony Parish - in which place he was married & resided with his wife for 3yrs,
then Garngad Hill 1yr 9mos, then 161 Castle St, 1 yr, Barony, then 32 Parly Rd 4mos, then 78 Parly Rd
where the present application was made by his wife.
Mrs Pollock, grocer?, Parly Rd certifies to the time John Hart also resided with his father.
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Subsequent Proceedings -
29 Jan 1862 - Po. Ho. [Poor House]
10 Sep 1862 - Po. Ho. ad here. [admit here]
25 Sep 1862 - Roll 3/ w. [3/- per week]
21 Nov 1862 - Grant blanket flannel & mattress.
20 Nov 1862 - Grant 1/6 w interior relief 4w. [for 4 weeks]
10 Dec 1862 - Restore.
5 Feb 1863 - con & pay m. [continue & pay monthly]
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Mathie Family Glasgow
WOW Jack, 
It's a goof job I had my Porridge as I need the brain cells to take this in.
I am about to tackle this lot once more and thanks to your help will be able to get somewhere now.
I would love to find where Alexander Mathie and Elizabeth Letham
Born/ Married/Died so that I could go back further!
I still can't find any documents for them and wondered if you could be so kind as to search 1841 ? Census for Mathie 's and Letham's around this area.
From sunny New Zealand.
Cheers.
It's a goof job I had my Porridge as I need the brain cells to take this in.
I am about to tackle this lot once more and thanks to your help will be able to get somewhere now.
I would love to find where Alexander Mathie and Elizabeth Letham
Born/ Married/Died so that I could go back further!
I still can't find any documents for them and wondered if you could be so kind as to search 1841 ? Census for Mathie 's and Letham's around this area.
From sunny New Zealand.
Cheers.
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Maureen
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Mathie Family Glasgow
Jack,
If I was confused before what am I now.
I uplifted some documents regarding the Hart / Mathew/son ? family .
I found Birth of Janet Hart b 20 th November 1861 child of John Hart and Ann MATHESON (married 1856) this date is unclear on cert: Glasgow.
I then searched for said marriage and lo and behold if it was not bad enough it threw a spanner in the works.
12th October 1857 John Hart (Occupation Potter) married ANN MATHIESON
Father JAMES MATHIESON (Soldier) and ELIZABETH LETHAM Both Deceased.
What happened to ALEXANDER !!!!!!!!!!!!
On this marriage cert it states a witness as Maggie Graham and the Minister is a John Graham.
Both these names appear on marriage for William MATHIE same parents,on marriage to Agnes McBride (back full circle here )
HELP !!!
If I was confused before what am I now.
I uplifted some documents regarding the Hart / Mathew/son ? family .
I found Birth of Janet Hart b 20 th November 1861 child of John Hart and Ann MATHESON (married 1856) this date is unclear on cert: Glasgow.
I then searched for said marriage and lo and behold if it was not bad enough it threw a spanner in the works.
12th October 1857 John Hart (Occupation Potter) married ANN MATHIESON
Father JAMES MATHIESON (Soldier) and ELIZABETH LETHAM Both Deceased.
What happened to ALEXANDER !!!!!!!!!!!!
On this marriage cert it states a witness as Maggie Graham and the Minister is a John Graham.
Both these names appear on marriage for William MATHIE same parents,on marriage to Agnes McBride (back full circle here )
HELP !!!
Maureen
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Re Mathie Family Glasgow
Hi Maureen,
At the moment i can only think it's just one of these mistakes that occur not infrequently on BMDs.
Most accurate are usually BCs, next for accuracy are MCs, with DCs having the most errors.
Was the address for Ann on her 1857 MC to John HART the same as William's on his 1858 MC to Agnes McBRIDE?
I'd have a look at Ann's DC in the hope that the informant really did know her parents; and not just copied them from her MC....
The IGI gives the marriage of John HART & Ann MATHIESON as 12 Oct 1857.
But i've often come across children's BCs that have their parent's marriage date wrong - not only the day & month, but the year too!
There are abt 117 "LETHAMs" & abt 163 "MATHIE/MATTHEWs" in Glasgow 1841. So quite a lot!
It would seem you've been rather unlucky in that both Alexander & Elizabeth have probably died pre 1855.
Jack
At the moment i can only think it's just one of these mistakes that occur not infrequently on BMDs.
Most accurate are usually BCs, next for accuracy are MCs, with DCs having the most errors.
Was the address for Ann on her 1857 MC to John HART the same as William's on his 1858 MC to Agnes McBRIDE?
I'd have a look at Ann's DC in the hope that the informant really did know her parents; and not just copied them from her MC....
The IGI gives the marriage of John HART & Ann MATHIESON as 12 Oct 1857.
But i've often come across children's BCs that have their parent's marriage date wrong - not only the day & month, but the year too!
There are abt 117 "LETHAMs" & abt 163 "MATHIE/MATTHEWs" in Glasgow 1841. So quite a lot!
It would seem you've been rather unlucky in that both Alexander & Elizabeth have probably died pre 1855.
Jack
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Jack,
The plot thickens now.
I uplifted Death Certs for ]ANN HART nee MATHIE
1884 Widow of JOHN ,SOLDIER dec .Parents names ALEXANDER MATHIE (occp looks like farmer)? and ELIZABETH LETHAM informant on dc is sister Janet ,So I looked for 1906 death of JANET MATHIE and lo and behold it says Parents WILLIAM MATHIE (occp blacksmith) and ELIZABETH LETHAM.
Informant on D C Nephew A Mathie ,
Now on Ann's marriage cert it states father JAMES MATHIESON Soldier dec mother ELIZABETH LETHAM.
Was Elizabeth having a GOOD time or what!!!!
Answer to your other question. no, William was living at Duke Street 1n 1858 while Ann was at Parly Rd when she wed 1857.
So I now have 3 names for husband of Elizabeth with three different occupations.
The plot thickens now.
I uplifted Death Certs for ]ANN HART nee MATHIE
1884 Widow of JOHN ,SOLDIER dec .Parents names ALEXANDER MATHIE (occp looks like farmer)? and ELIZABETH LETHAM informant on dc is sister Janet ,So I looked for 1906 death of JANET MATHIE and lo and behold it says Parents WILLIAM MATHIE (occp blacksmith) and ELIZABETH LETHAM.
Informant on D C Nephew A Mathie ,
Now on Ann's marriage cert it states father JAMES MATHIESON Soldier dec mother ELIZABETH LETHAM.
Was Elizabeth having a GOOD time or what!!!!
Answer to your other question. no, William was living at Duke Street 1n 1858 while Ann was at Parly Rd when she wed 1857.
So I now have 3 names for husband of Elizabeth with three different occupations.
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Re; Mathie Family Glasgow
Hi Maureen,
You're building up a nice collection of forenames for Elizabeth LETHAM's hubby! But i'd plump for it being Alexander.
Possibly none of the children ever really remembered their father because he had MAYBE died by 1841 (no more known children born after abt 1840).
I notice that one of the MATHIE sons in Motherwell 1881 was also an Alexander, a blacksmith; as was William MATHIE who married Agnes McBRIDE.
Is this the nephew Alexander on Janet MATHIE's 1906 DC? Maybe he just had a guess on what his GF's name & occupation?
Did you ever find the DC of father Alexander MATHIE, 49, in Motherwell 1881? A fair chance he was still there when he died.
And IF he is a son of Elizabeth LETHAM i wonder what the DC has for his father's name....
Jack
You're building up a nice collection of forenames for Elizabeth LETHAM's hubby! But i'd plump for it being Alexander.
Possibly none of the children ever really remembered their father because he had MAYBE died by 1841 (no more known children born after abt 1840).
I notice that one of the MATHIE sons in Motherwell 1881 was also an Alexander, a blacksmith; as was William MATHIE who married Agnes McBRIDE.
Is this the nephew Alexander on Janet MATHIE's 1906 DC? Maybe he just had a guess on what his GF's name & occupation?
Did you ever find the DC of father Alexander MATHIE, 49, in Motherwell 1881? A fair chance he was still there when he died.
And IF he is a son of Elizabeth LETHAM i wonder what the DC has for his father's name....
Jack
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Jack,
I am picking that the Alexander who was the Nephew is my husbands GRANDFATHER .So I am getting closer.
This is all his family I am searching.What we do for love.!!!!
Warch this space. I will let you know the outcome as you have put so much input I feel like you are family .
I am picking that the Alexander who was the Nephew is my husbands GRANDFATHER .So I am getting closer.
This is all his family I am searching.What we do for love.!!!!
Warch this space. I will let you know the outcome as you have put so much input I feel like you are family .
Maureen
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Jack,
Here we go again.
I finally bought the 1885 D C for Alexander Mathie married to Mary Crossan
States Father Alexander Mathie Mother Elizabeth Letham Informant on dc son John Mathie.
I found a LATE marriage for Janet Mathie aged 46 to William Grame Wdower. parents to Janet , William Mathie Blacksmith and Janet Wilson
Yet on the death cert for Janet it states mothers name Elizabeth Letham.??
I think I am going round the twist here .
Here we go again.
I finally bought the 1885 D C for Alexander Mathie married to Mary Crossan
States Father Alexander Mathie Mother Elizabeth Letham Informant on dc son John Mathie.
I found a LATE marriage for Janet Mathie aged 46 to William Grame Wdower. parents to Janet , William Mathie Blacksmith and Janet Wilson
Yet on the death cert for Janet it states mothers name Elizabeth Letham.??
I think I am going round the twist here .
Maureen