Census Help .....

[Jack]

Hi Stewie,
Some censuses for you - not sure if you already have the 1861.
Also an 1851 which has possibilities?
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1851 cens 644-1 (567) Ed 4 p 22 (City - St. Andrews)
132 Gallowgate.
William LAURIE, head, widower, 90, formerly shoemaker, b England
Daniel LAURIE, son, u/m 25, shoemaker, b Glasgow, LKS
Robert LINDSAY, lodger, u/m 30, shoemaker, b Fife, FIF
Samuel LINKLES, lodger, u/m 60, shoemaker, b Campbeltown, ARL
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1861 cens 644-2 Ed 62 p 17 (St James)
43 Little Dove Hill.
Daniel LAWRIE, head, marr, 36, shoemaker, b Glasgow, LKS
Janet LAWRIE, wife, marr, 34, shoe binder, b Johnstone, RFW
James LAWRIE, son, 12, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
Robert LAWRIE, son, 1yr, ------- b Glasgow, LKS
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Jack
ps, i notice the 1871 has Janet 7yrs, and the 1881 Isabella 17yrs. A transcription error as Janet?

[StewL]

Hello again Jack

Thanks for those censuses, you gave me the 1861 one, but the 1851 census isnt him, according to his DC his father was Robert Laurie mother Mary Ivine.

Thanks again

[Jack]

Hi Stewie,
I was hoping William 90 might be Daniel's Grandfather! "Son" being an error, but i'll check it out - maybe i made an error
But i take you have his father Robert's DC with a different named father? Not a William?
Jack

[StewL]

Hello Jack

I havent got Roberts DC as yet, I just got his wife Mary's
But I have had a look at a few and so far none are him, another possibility I cant read as the file/image is corrupted. Yes I sent a contact form
But I may have to review my search criteria a bit with his possible age as it appears Mary was born about 1807 according to her DC.

[StewL]

Very prompt reply from SP, they will fix up the image and have refunded my credits.

[StewL]

Jack

Re Isabella/Janet 1864 birth date according to censuses.

I think you might be right I have the BC for Isabella she was born 14 Feb 1864 in High Church Glasgow.

There is no indication on her BC that she was a twin. I will have a look to see if there is a Janet in the family, as there "is" a Janet in the 1871 census, but no Isabella.

By the way Janet Porterfields mother was Janet McGee

[Jack]

Hi Stewie,
An interesting census? well they all are to me! Some food for thought anyway.
This is the only suitable Daniel in 1841 - but oddly i can't see a William "LAURIE" abt 80yrs in Glasgow 1841.
Daniel 25, with William 90 (age very clear) in 1851 was as a son, but that might be wrong? Just guessing.
By the way, Daniel 25 was also the only suitable one in Glasgow 1851 (the other 2 weren't shoemakers).
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1841 cens 644-1 Ed 47 p 9 (St. James)
20 Little Dove Hill.
Mary LAURIE, 40, ditto, b England
Maria LAURIE, 20, shoe binder, b LKS
Danial [sic] LAURIE, 14, appr. shoemaker, b LKS
John LAURIE, 12, appr. shoemaker, b LKS
[not too sure what ditto for Mary is meant to be; an occupation for a neighbour a few lines above was a labourer,
maybe it meant say shoe binder, and Maria was to be the ditto?]
[can't see a definite for mother Mary in 1851 as yet, and nearest for 1861 is a 64yr old born Liverpool....]
But might not be her (this one's maybe a bit older). On Mary IRVINE's DC, where and when did she die? Age? Informant?
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A couple of WATSON - LAURIE marriages next, were they brother & sis to sis & brother?
Fanciful i know, but possible because of this WATSON family in 1841.

1841 cens 644-1 Ed 112 p 13 (St. Andrew's)
Gallowgate. [between abt 130-140]
Ann WATSON 38, JOHN 20, Thomas 18, Alex 15, James 13, Charles 9, HENRIETTA 7, Sydney 5, Robert 3, Ann 1

[John & Henrietta WATSON's ages in 1841 fit the ages in 1851, and
John & Maria LAURIE's ages in 1841 also fit the ages in 1851]
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JOHN WATSON
MARIA LAURIE - Marriage: 13 SEP 1844 Barony, Lanark, Scotland
[IGI has 1 child - 1856]
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1851 cens 644-1 (567) Ed 4 p 22 (City - St. Andrews)
132 Gallowgate.
William LAURIE, head, widower, 90, formerly shoemaker, b England
Daniel LAURIE, son, u/m 25, shoemaker, b Glasgow, LKS
Robert LINDSAY, lodger, u/m 30, shoemaker, b Fife, FIF
Samuel LINKLES, lodger, u/m 60, shoemaker, b Campbeltown, ARL
John WATSON, head, marr, 30, shoemaker, b Glasgow, LKS
Maria WATSON, wife, marr, 30, ------ b Ireland
Mary WATSON, daur, 2, ------------ b Glasgow, LKS
[can't see the WATSONs together as a family in Glasgow 1861]
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JOHN LAURIE
HENRIETTA WATSON - Marriage: 24 SEP 1850 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
[IGI has at least 9 children 1856 -1871]

1851 cens 644-1 (567) Ed 1 p 12 (St Andrew's)
168 Gallowgate St.
John LAWRIE, head, marr, 21, shoemaker, b Glasgow, LKS
Henrietta LAWRIE, wife, marr, 18, ---------- b Glasgow, LKS
&
1861 cens 644-2 Ed 61 p 9 (St. James)
4 Spoutmouth.
John LAURIE, head, marr, 30, shoemaker, b St. Andrews, Glasgow
Henrieta LAURIE, wife, marr, 28, -----------b St. James, Glasgow
Mary LAURIE, daur, 9, p.s., b St. Andrews, Glasgow
Thomas LAURIE, son, 7, p.s., b St. James, Glasgow
Ann LAURIE, daur, 2, -----------b St. James, Glasgow
[don't know what "p.s." means - only 1 other in the book with it, a 6yr old girl; other school age children had scholar]
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1861 cens 644-2 Ed 62 p 17 (St James)
43 Little Dove Hill.
Daniel LAWRIE, head, marr, 36, shoemaker, b Glasgow, LKS
Janet LAWRIE, wife, marr, 34, shoe binder, b Johnstone, RFW
James LAWRIE, son, 12, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
Robert LAWRIE, son, 1yr, ------- b Glasgow, LKS
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1861 cens 644-4 Ed 4 p 11 (St. Andrews)
132 Gallowgate.
Mary LAWRIE, head, widow, 64, binder of shoes, b Liverpool, England
Thomas TRAINER, lodger, u/m 50, shoemaker, b Glasgow, LKS
Robert LINDSAY, lodger, u/m 39, shoemaker, b Weymse Parish, FIF
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This looks like Henrietta in 1881 - i see she is as married, not widowed; might be an error though.
1881 Census Place: Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Dwelling: 27 Kerr Street
Source: FHL Film 0203642 GRO Ref Volume 644-4 EnumDist 4 Page 8
Hanerata LAURIE M 46 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Washer Woman
Thomas LAURIE M 27 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Shoemaker
Janet LAURIE 14 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Millworker
Sydney LAURIE 5 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur
Marie LAURIE 3 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur
Mary Jane LAURIE M 21 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Boarder Occ: Millworker
Daniel LAURIE 1 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Grandson
Isabella LAURIE 5 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Grand Daur
Gordon GIBSON U 20 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Boarder Occ: Washerwoman
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But it's all supposition... a bit of work needed to see if Maria & John ARE your Daniel's siblings.
Sorry, it'll be well into next week before i can get those census details [now added]
The Mitchell's closed But not for long
Jack

[StewL]

Thanks once again Jack

Hope you have a guid christmas and new year.

I will be at my sisters for a few days now If I can get a move on and write the cards I forgot

[Jack]

Hi Stewie,
Trust you're still enjoying yersel!
Just to say i've added the census details to the previous post, plus the 1861 you already have of Daniel (just to keep together).

Whilst i remember, what was the marriage details for Daniel LAURIE & Janet PORTERFIELD on daur Isabella's 1864 BC?
Also details of your Daniel LAURIE's mother Mary IRVINE's DC?
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Maria WATSON [30] in 1851 was as born Ireland.... Just a pity i can't see her in Glasgow 1861.
In 1851 there were abt 40 familes at 132 Gallowgate!
So maybe it's just a coincidence that Maria (possibly LAURIE) was living right next door to a LAURIE family.

The name Hannah i gave for 1851 was wrong - it's Henrieta LAURIE [28] - this was just a name indexing error.

All the LAURIE addresses are within a 100 yds of 132 Gallowgate.
and with their main occupation of shoemaking you'd think they are all related in some way; time may tell.

St James' Parish was on the North side, and St Andrew's Parish on the South side of the Gallowgate,
so if you flitted across the street you were into a different parish....
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Jack

[StewL]

Thanks once again Jack

The marriage date on Isabellas BC is Aug 1851 Glasgow, but on son Daniel’s BC born 1861 the date is Aug 1850 Glasgow, on both certs there is a line where a date should be. Janet was informant on both births, and she made her mark. Both were born at 43 Little Dovehill.

Mary Laurie (ms Irvine) Widow of Robert Laurie (Shoemaker)

Died 15 Dec 1871 aged 64 at 10 Porter Street Glasgow in district of Bridgeton
Father: John Ivine – Farmer deceased
Mother: Jane Irvine ms McNeill deceased
Bronchitis 14 days
Informant: Wm (William) Laurie son

Celebrating Christmas well not exactly, Santa must have thought I had been good as I got some presents, but his elves knew better, as I have had a stomach virus since Christmas day, with it hitting with a vengeance in the wee small hours of boxing day. At this stage it will be a dry ne’erday too, it’s no a hanging offence for a Scotsman to have a dry ne’erday is it?