Censuses Carnwath Lanark .....

[Jack]

Hi Jean,
You're going to be very busy with all the great finds that your namesake gave you (hi Jean! )
Most of these ORMISTONs have a Carnwath connection; how they all fit in is another matter,
but i'm sure you'll work it out...eventually.
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1851 cens 629 (674) Ed 9 p 7 (Carluke)
Kilcadzow.
Jane ORMISTON, head, widow, 80, retired cook, b Carnwath, LKS
Isabella GRAHAM, daur, u/m 35, -------------- b Carluke, LKs
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1851 cens 632 (677) Ed 8 pp32-33 (Carnwath)
Willsontown.
John ORMISTON, head, marr, 49, tailor, b Carnwath, LKS
Mary ORMISTON, wife, marr, 45, muslin needlework, b Carstairs, LKS
Agness ORMISTON, daur, u/m 22, ditto, b Carnwath, LKS
Elisabeth ORMISTON, daur, 19, ditto, b Carnwath, LKS
Mary ORMISTON, daur, 12, ------------b Carnwath, LKS
James ORMISTON, son, 9, ----------b Carnwath, LKS
Grace ORMISTON, daur, 5, -----------b Carnwath, LKS
A child ORMISTON, gr-daur, 2mos, --b Carnwath, LKS [poor wee soul -2mos old and still no name!]
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1861 cens 632 Ed 9 p 27 (Carnwath)
Wilsontown Village.
John ORMISTON, head, marr, 60, tailor, b Carnwath, LKS
Mary ORMISTON, wife, marr, 55, do's wife, b Carstairs, LKS
Agnes ORMISTON, daur, u/m 32, -----------b Carnwath, LKS
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1851 cens 650 (670-4) Ed 1 p 16 (Libberton)
Whitecastle.
James ORMISTON, head, u/m 51, labourer, b Carnwath, LKS
Janet ORMISTON, sister, u/m 47, housekeeper, b Libberton, LKS
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1861 cens 650 Ed 1 p 11 (Liberton)
1 Whitecastle.
James ORMISTON, head, u/m 61, ag. labourer, b Carnwath, LKS
Janet ORMISTON, sister, u/m 56, ag. labourer, b Liberton, LKS
Jean ORMISTON, aunt, widow, 77, ag. labs. widow, b Liberton, LKS
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1851 cens 650 (670-4) Ed 2 p 6 (Libberton)
Ogscastle. [schedule 19]
Margt. JOHNSTONE, head, marr, 34, farmer of 90 acres emp 2 labs, b Dirleton, HAD
Greville JOHSTONE, son, 1, -----------------b Edinburgh, MLN
Elizth. JOHNSTONE, visitor, 7yrs, ------b Edinburgh, MLN
Janet NELSON, servant, 15, house servant, b Carnwath, LKS
Helen CLOW, servant, 14, house servant, b Edinburgh, MLN
Grace BALLINGTON, servant, 17, farm servant, b Skirling, PEE
Hugh WATSON, ------ marr, 32, labourer, b Carnwath, LKS
Robt. WATSON, servant, u/m 27, farm servant, b Carnwath, LKS
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Ogscastle Bridge.
Mary ORMISTON, head, widow, 61, ----------b Carnwath, LKS
Agnes WATSON, daur, u/m 25, outdoor labourer, b Walston, LKS
James WATSON, gr-son, 2yrs,------------b Libberton, LKS
Mary ELDER, gr-daur, 11yrs, scholar, b Carnwath, LKS
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1851 cens 596 (533) Ed 1 p 53 (Kilbirnie)
Station. [it's probably at Glengarnock]
John ORMISTON, head, marr, 25, clerk or undermanager, iron works, b Carnwath, LKS
Mary ORMISTON, wife, marr, 32, -------------b St. Ninians, STI
Mary ORMISTON, daur, 6, scholar, b St. Ninians, STI
Arch. ORMISTON, son, 4, -------------b Kilbirnie, AYR
John ORMISTON, son, 3, --------------b Kilbirnie, AYR
James ORMISTON, son, 1, ------------b Kilbirnie, AYR
Catherine FILLINS, servant, u/m 24, general servant, b Carnwath, LKS

[this family, plus a few more, are at Shotts, LKS in 1861 (655 Ed 14 p 14) father as John W. Ormiston 35]
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Just as well you like a good jigsaw - this one has very many pieces, and hopefully they'll all belong to the same one!
Jack

[Jean Jeanie]

Hi Jean and Jack

Are you twa trying tae dae ma heid in

Copying, cutting and pasting are on the agenda for tomorrow.

Seriously, thank you both.

The jigsaw commences

Jean

[Jean Jeanie]

Jack

I started looking for Margaret Gordon m.s. Ormiston. and you found her in 1841, but not in 1851 in Lanark.

I've had a look on SP for her in 1861. There are quite a few who fit the right age. Ruling out all the Highland ones, as I know she died in Mid Calder in 1880, it leaves me with a few in the central belt.

You mentioned that you found Ormistons in Shotts in 1861. There is a Margaret Gordon, aged 55, in Cambusnethan in 1861. Are Cambusnethan and Shotts near each other?

If so could you have a wee look? Gros Data 628/00 002/00 018

Pieces of the jigsaw are falling in to place

Jean

[Jack]

Hi Jean,
I'd noticed this Margaret GORDON 55, but she's as born Shotts, and probably with a Robert Allan 61, b Liberton, MLN & family.
Seems she was with this same Robert Alllan in 1851 too.
Will have a look anyway.
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Cambusnethan is abt 4mls SW of Shotts, but Carnwath is abt 11 mls SE of them both.
(those large scale AA or RAC road atlases of Great Britain are often useful)
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Jack

[Jack]

Hi Jean,
Alas not "yours" - i'd my doubts because of the Shotts birthplace.
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1851 cens 628 Ed 8 p 10 (Cambusnethan)
Gillhead Houses.
Robert ALLAN, head, widower, 48, turnpike road surfaceman, b Edinburgh, MLN
Robert MURREY [sic], gr-son, 7, ----------------- b Cambusnethan, LKS
MARGARET GORDON, sister-in-law, u/m 45, -----b Shotts, LKS
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1861 cens 628 Ed 2 p 18 (Cambusnethan)
Private? House.
Robert ALLAN, head, widower, 61, surfaceman, b Liberton, Edinburgh.
Robert ALLAN [sic], gr-son, 17, surfaceman, b Cambusnethan, LKS
Margaret GORDON, housekeeper, u/m 55, ------b Shotts, LKS
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Jack

[Jean Jeanie]

Hi Jack

Thanks for having a look. This leaves me with 5 possibles with none of the children showing in the same places

Think I will wait on the 1851 to see if I can find her in one of the places with any of the children. Wilhelmina should still be with her as she will be 10/11 in 1851

Jean

[Jack]

Hi Jean,
Came across these which look quite good (note Margaret ORMISTON is as a widow).
So possibly William GORDON has died sometime between abt Jan 1840 - Jun 1841?
IF children Andrew & Elizabeth are still living they might be found on SP when they put the all Scotland 1851 census online.
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1851 cens 687 (701) Ed 1 p 4 (West Calder)
West Calder Village.
Margaret GORDON, head, widow, 45, outdoor labourer, b Carnwath, LKS
Wilhelmina GORDON, daur, 10, ----------------b Carnwath, LKS
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1851 cens 687 (694) Ed 3 p 16 (Mid Calder)
Brucefield.
William M WYLLIE, head, u/m 24, farmer of 122 acres, emp 8 labourers, b Edinburgh, MLN
Agnes WEIR, servant, u/m 34, housekeeper, b West Calder, MLN
Agnes GORDON, servant, u/m 18, farm servant, b Carnwath, LKS
Archibald BRASH, servant, 13, farm servant, b Kirkliston, WLN
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There's also this (Margaret's sister?).
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1851 cens 687 (701) Ed 6 p 3 (West Calder)
Bank Head.
Elizabeth ORMISTON, head, widow, 51, hand sewer, b Carnwath, LKS
Cathrine WATSON, daur, u/m 28, hand sewer, b Carnwath, LKS
Grace BLAIR, gr-daur, 4, --------------b Carnwath, LKS
Elizabeth LAIRD, gr-daur, 3, ---------b Carnwath, LKS

I wonder if Cathrine had got involved with the James Blair who was with the family in 1841?
(family history gives you a suspicious mind!)
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Jack

[Jean Jeanie]

Hi Jack

Thanks for the info. One of the Margaret's I found in 1861 lived in West Calder so I'll try her first. It looks like she was widowed young. Bang goes anything further back on William Gordon

I have her daughter,Elizabeth, in 1881 in Edinburgh, so should be able to find her in 1851 when it comes on line. Hopefully something on Andrew too, as I have nothing on him.

Looks to me like Margaret and John's sister Elizabeth had an "acquaintance" with one of John's wife's brothers ( a Watson) and produced Catherine. She calls herself a widow in 1851 but I cannot find a marriage between her and a Watson. As you say Catherine could have had a similar "aquaintance" with James Blair and we then get Grace Blair. All supposition at the moment.................interesting though

By the way where did you find the censuses for West Calder and Mid Calder? I had looked for them on Freecen but they'd not been transcribed

Jean

[Jack]

Hi Jean,
The details are from a CD by the Lothians FHS < http://www.lothiansfhs.org.uk/ >
1851 All Midlothian Census Index and Transcription (excluding Edinburgh & Leith Parishes) [66,163 names]
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Just a pity it doesn't include them, but it's a good one -
*wildcards* can be used anywhere, including the beginning [always a handy option on any index]
You can search by age, occupation, address, birthplace with, or without, a name etc.
Another very good feature is that when you click on a name in the search results,
that person, and all who are in that particular household, is shown.

A dedicated "neighbour search" would've been useful though - you can get around this to a certain extent once you have an address.
But a fair bit of work to find who was living right next door - eg there are 575 folk with the address of West Calder Village....
This would've been made easy if all names had their Ref No alongside them (ain't i the moaner!).
Still i'm very pleased with what it does have.
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So that's the reason you've got Margaret - was testing the programme to see how well it worked,
then i remembered the Gordon & Ormiston surnames, and was pleasantly surprised with the results

Jack
ps - always the slim chance William Gordon deserted Margaret, but on the face of things that doesn't seem very likely....
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[Jean Jeanie]

Hi Jack

I was more than pleasantly surprised I thought I would have to wait for SP for the 1851 to find Margaret and Wilhelmina.

I do think William Gordon must have died at a young age. The name Wilhelmina carries on down the family, to my grandmother, and I think the young Wilhelmina was named after her father. The name Gordon carried on in the family until 1968, the males having this name as a Forename and the females having it as a middle name.

Can't thank you enough for this "extra" information.

When birthday time comes I will add this disc to my wish list, also the one for West Lothian. The only 2 parishes in West Lothian not to appear on Freecen are the 2 I am interested in.....Uphall and Kirkliston

Jean