1901 census, Harriet Street .....

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 6:09 pm

Hi Cathie,
You'll be glad to see the family were there!
Just thinking - have you been searching for your McKENNAs in GLASGOW only?
Harriet Street, Pollokshaws is still in Renfrewshire 1901 - it didn't come under Glasgow till 1927.
(a few of my own great-greats were in the Harriet Street area, but in the mid 1800s)
There were some more McKENNAs in the street - no harm in knowing of them.
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1901 cens 562-2L Ed 12 p ?? (Eastwood) [forgot the page no...]
58 Harriet Street, Pollokshaws.
John McKENNA, head, marr, 49, mason, b Ireland
Kate McKENNA, wife, marr, 46, -------------b Ireland
Sarah McKENNA, daur, u/m 20, shirt dresser, b Glasgow, LKS
John McKENNA, son, u/m 18, bricklayer, b Glasgow, LKS
Margaret McKENNA, daur, 16, shirt dresser, b Glasgow, LKS
Kate McKENNA, daur, 12, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
Dennis McKENNA, son, 9, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
Arthur McKENNA, son, 7, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
Minnie McKENNA, daur, 3, --------b Pollokshaws, RFW
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1901 cens 562-2L Ed 12 p 18 (Eastwood)
40 Harriet Street, Pollokshaws.
Charles McKENNA, head, marr, 66, mason's labourer, b Ireland
Rosie McKENNA, wife, marr, 64, ---------------b Ireland
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1901 cens 562-2L Ed 12 p 18 (Eastwood)
40 Harriet Street, Pollokshaws.
John McKENNA, head, marr, 33, general carter, b Pollokshaws, RFW
Mary McKENNA, wife, marr, 26, --------------b Newton Mearns, RFW
Susan McKENNA, daur, 8, scholar, b ditto [sic]
Rose Anne McKENNA, daur, 5, scholar, b ditto [sic]
Charles McKENNA, son, 9mos, ---------b ditto [sic]
Susan RUSH, mother-in-law, widow, 46, laundress, rtd, b Newton Mearns, RFW
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1901 cens 562-2L Ed 10 p 4 (Eastwood)
27 Harriet Street, Pollokshaws.
Patrick McKENNA, head, marr, 26, coal miner, hewer, b Pollokshaws, RFW
Catherine McKENNA, wife, 23, --------------b Hamilton, LKS
Hugh McKENNA, son, 3, ------------------ b Hamilton, LKs
Bridget McKENNA, daur, 3mos, -------b Pollokshaws, RFW
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Jack

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 6:31 pm

Jack wrote:You're right on that David,

That's why it's not easy on a few of the longer streets. Some of them are spread over a dozen or more enumeration districts.
(you have to scroll through each one)
And if the writing on the pages are very poor, or nearly blank, then you're in a wee bit trouble!

Jack

Jack

In the street indexes that I've seen, where a street spans 2 or 3 EDs, the street numbers in each ED have been show.

David

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 7:08 pm

Hi David,
You're right again! the vast majority do.
But (memory definitely going - this was only a few hours ago!) i think Harriet Street didn't give numbers though it was spread over 4 EDs.
My search problems only happened when i was given a street, but no number - eg, say, just the Gallowgate.
Then it wasn't easy!
Jack

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 7:27 pm

Jack wrote:Hi David,
You're right again! the vast majority do.
But (memory definitely going - this was only a few hours ago!) i think Harriet Street didn't give numbers though it was spread over 4 EDs.
My search problems only happened when i was given a street, but no number - eg, say, just the Gallowgate.
Then it wasn't easy!
Jack

Given the massive task that must have faced the indexers who produced the street indexes it does not surprise me that there's the occasional exception............

David

CathieL · Post by **CathieL** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:47 pm

Hello Jack
Thank you so much for finding them, I knew they were but the fault is mine, I was looking in the wrong place. To make matters worse, I have a folder on the Farrells who were my other great grandparents, they lived in Bengal Lane in Pollockshaws, if I had looked in that folder I would have seen that the 1901 census I have on them is clearly marked East Renfrewshire!

Thank you also for including the others, I think the Charles McKenna might be John's older brother. You have really given me something to work on.
Thank you to everyone and apologies for being as green as I'm cabbage looking!
Cathie

Russell · Post by **Russell** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:16 pm

Cathie
It may be a bit too late for your family but

www.theglasgowstory.com

has valuation rolls for 1913-1914 which you can search street by street.
I think Pollokshaws was included by that time.

At that time families still tended to live near their parents so a trwl might be lucky for you.

Russell

CathieL · Post by **CathieL** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 6:48 pm

Thanks for that Russell
I had a look and the street is there but my family is not at the same address. It did give me some ideas though so I am going to spent some time looking through it. Annette had mentioned the site to me before but the potential of the site has just dawned on me (bit slow on the uptake in my dotage) so I will be busy for a while and who knows I might find a treasure!
Regards
Cathie

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 9:34 pm

Hi Cathie,
Quite possibly you've already got these 1881 censuses, but in case not.
You mentioned that Charles McKENNA might be your John's older brother.
Charles was at 40 Harriet St in 1901; there was also a John at that same address.
If names are anything to go by then John might be Charles' son?
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1881 Census Place: Eastwood, Renfrew, Scotland
Dwelling: 110 King St
Source: FHL Film 0203568 GRO Ref Volume 562 EnumDist 11 Page 18
Charles MC KENNA M 41 M Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Fireman At Dyework
Roslon MC KENNA M 39 F Ireland Rel: Wife
Edward MC KENNA U 19 M Ireland Rel: Son Occ: Freestone Quarrier
Willm. MC KENNA 17 M Ireland Rel: Son Occ: Printfield Worker
John Jas. MC KENNA 10 M P shaws, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
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This looks like the family of the Patrick at 27 Harriet St in 1901.
Possibly a different McKENNA family, and it was just coincidence that they ended up in the same street in 1901?

1881 Census Place: Edinburgh Canongate, Edinburgh, Scotland
Dwelling: 27 New Street
Source: FHL Film 0224002 GRO Ref Volume 685-3 EnumDist 73 Page 8
Patrick MC KENNA M 31 M Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Lab (Docks)
Bridget MC KENNA M 50 F Ireland Rel: Wife
Hugh MC KENNA 7 M Pollockshaws, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Son
Patrick MC KENNA 6 M Pollockshaws, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Son
Ann MC KENNA 4 F Pollockshaws, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Daur
Bridget MC KENNA 1 F Pollockshaws, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Daur
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Jack
ps. i dare say you already have your John, Catherine & 3 children in Govan 1881?

CathieL · Post by **CathieL** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:26 pm

Hello Jack
You must have been reading my mind because I have been working on this all day. I had John and Catherine in the 1881 but I just found Charles and Rose ( Rose Ann, Roison) in 1881. The John McKenna (33) is Charles's son and I found birth certs. for two other sons Owen and Charles then on the 1881 I see two sons born in Ireland. I cannot find a birth or marriage for Charles himself so without his parents names I'm not positive he his John's brother but I think it is possible.
I checked Patrick's birth cert. and he is the the illegitimate son of an Owen Mckenna but he does not seem to fit in anywhere.

Cathie

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:56 pm

Hi Cathie,
I take it you can't find Charles' DC in Scotland after 1901?
Or wife Rose's to see if she was a widow, or not (might help narrow down hubby's year).
Jack

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