Now don't quote me on this, but I'm sure I read somewhere that fit poor relief recipients were often hired out to supplement the cost of maintaining them.
One example I remember is of labourers being provided at harvest time.
Deciphering help please .....
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Isabella Ormiston - Crookston
Hi Pinkshoes,
What is written below isn't helping any in finding the DC of Mary CROOKSTON m/s DARLING.
I know that's what you were originally trying to get, and i can't see it either.
Perhaps Mary's surname has been very wrongly listed? or is she missing from the GROS indexes?
Only way i suppose would be to check the fiche at NRH, and hope she did die in Borthwick, or at least Edinburgh.
(otherwise it would be a long drawn out hunt....even all Edinburgh might take a bit of searching)
Story time now, but there is quite a lot of good info to be gleaned from these censuses & BMDs.
You'll notice some names have numbers etc. - these were just to help me identify as i went along; eg,
(1) Andrew Scougal (1804-1871) is the father of,
(2) Andrew Scougal (1825-1877) who is father (with Isabella Ormiston) of,
(3) Andrew Scougal (1848-1913) who married Isabella Melrose in 1870.
(4) Andrew Scougal (1864-?) son of (2) Andrew & Elizabeth Cumming.
Also that some things are duplicated - again to help me as i was getting a bit confuddled with it all.
You already have some of this, and it's only to keep it all together.
So here are my ramblings...and unless i'm completely wrong (not unknown for me)...then,
Isabella ORMISTON looks to be the daur of Mary DARLING (either illegitimate, or from a previous marriage).
And that some time after 1851 she used her step-father's surname and became Isabella CROOKSTON?
If what i'm thinking is correct, and unless there was a divorce, then both
(2) Andrew SCOUGAL & Isabella ORMISTON/CROOKSTON were bigamists....
Reason being that since their two children are as Lawful, then we can only think that they were married.
Unless Lawful is an error?
Both the childrens births, (3) Andrew (1848) & Margaret (1850), are recorded on the same OPR page in the year 1854.
(2) Andrew SCOUGAL on the 1851 & 1861 censuses is as single - as too is Isabella ORMISTON in 1851 (married by 1861).
That they split up around 1850 seems clear enough anyway.
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Starting with the SCOUGALs,
(2) ANDREW SCOUGAL & ISABELLA ORMISTON
Two children...
(3) ANDREW SCOUGAL - Birth: 25 JUN 1848, Borthwick, Midlothian [Lawful son]
MARGARET SCOUGAL - Birth: 31 JAN 1850, Borthwick, Midlothian [Lawful daur]
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1851 census 689 Ed 4 p 1 (Inveresk)
Smeaton.
(1) Andrew SCOUGAL, head, marr, 45, farm overseer, b Cockpen, MLN
Margaret SCOUGAL, wife, marr, 56, -----------------b Newbattle, MLN.........[m/s Kilgour]
(2) Andrew SCOUGAL, son, u/m 25, farm servant, b Newbattle, MLN ...[but shd be as married?]
Alexander SCOUGAL, son, 13, farm labourer, b Borthwick, MLN...[Informant on bro Andrew's 1871 DC]
Margaret SCOUGAL, daur, 1, ----------------b Borthwick, MLN ...[shd be gr-daur; became a nurse; see later notes]
1861 census 689 Ed 1 p 31 (Inveresk)
Smeaton Farm Cottages.
(1) Andrew SCOUGALL, head, 55, farm steward, b Cockpen, Edin.
(2) Andrew SCOUGALL, son, u/m, 35, ploughman, b Newbattle, Edin. .....[but again shd be as married?]
Margret SCOUGALL, gr-daur, 11, scholar, b Borthwick, Edin.
Helen KILGOUR, niece, 24, housekeeper, b Temple, Edin.
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1871 DC. 689. 236 (Inveresk)
(1) Andrew SCOUGALL (65) general labourer d. 20 NOV 1871 at Crossgatehill, Inveresk.
Married to 1. Margaret KILGOUR. 2. Elizabeth PATERSON.
pas - Alexander SCOUGALL (dcd) carter & Jean BRUCE (dcd)
Infmt - (2) Andrew SCOUGALL, son, 51 Glover St, South Leith.
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Unfortunately this 1862 MC are blank for marital statuses & occupations....but at least Andrew's address of Smeaton fits.
I see he names another son (4) Andrew (b.1864) even though the (3) Andrew (b.1848) is still living.
1862 MC. 625-1. 13 (Bothwell)
(2) Andrew SCOUGALL (30) [no marital status or occupation] of Smeaton, Parish of Inveresk. [shaved a few years off age]
pas - (1) Andrew SCOUGALL, farm servant & Margaret m/s KILGOUR (dcd)
= 5 JUN 1862 at Bothwell. Forms of Free Church of Scotland.
Elizabeth CUMMING (28] [no marital status or occupation] of Glentyan, Parish of Kilbarchan.
pas - David CUMMING, mason & Mary m/s THOMPSON.
wits - John KILGOUR & Susan LORIMER.
~some children~
James Stirling SCOUGALL - Birth: 09 MAY 1863 Inveresk With Musselburgh, Midlothian
(4) Andrew SCOUGALL - Birth: 08 DEC 1864 Newton, Midlothian, Scotland
David SCOUGALL - Birth: 09 OCT 1866 Newton, Midlothian, Scotland
Martha Thomson SCOUGALL, b 20 JAN 1875 at 51 Glover St, Leith.
1871 census 692/2 ED: 5 Page: 35 (Leith South)
2 Mclaren Place.
(2) Andrew SCOUGALL, head, 45, Labourer, b New Battle, Edin.shire
Elizabeth SCOUGALL, wife, 37 ----------------b Inveresk, Edin.shire [Elizabeth d.1877 at Leith]
James Stirling SCOUGALL, son, 7, scholar, b Inveresk, Edin.shire [James d.1878 at Bothwell]
(4) Andrew SCOUGALL, son, 6, scholar, b Newton, Edin.shire
David SCOUGALL, son, 4,--------------b Newton, Edin.shire [1881 census at Douglas, LKS]
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1877 DC. 692-2. 493 (Leith South)
(2) Andrew SCOUGALL (50) Van Driver, married to Elizabeth CUMMING......[no 1st wife Isa Ormiston or Crookston]
d. 18 AUG 1877 at 51 Glover St, Leith.
Pas - (1) Andrew SCOUGALL (dcd) Farm Servant & Margaret m/s KILGOUR (dcd)
Infmt - Alexander SCOUGALL, brother, Westfield Cottages, Dalkeith.
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1870 MC. 775. 52 (Galashiels)
(3) Andrew SCOUGALL (22) u/m baker j/man of Melrose.
pas - (2) Andrew SCOUGALL, farm steward & Isabella m/s CROOKSTON [note neither parents are as deceased]
= 16 DEC 1870 at St. Peter's Episcopal Church, Galashiels. Forms of Episcopal Ch.
Isabella MELROSE (26) u/m woolen powerloom weaver of Huddersfield St, Galashiels.
pas - John MELROSE (dcd) common labourer & Jane m/s TURNBULL.
wits - James ARCHABALD & George HOGG.
1871 census 799-1 Ed 2 p 10 (Melrose - Roxburghshire)
Wilderness Lane.........[with a Walter Lamb & family]
(3) Andrew SEWELL [sic] , lodger, 22, marr, baker, b Dewarton, Edin.
&
1871 census 775-1 Ed 3 p 16 (Galashiels - Selkirkshire)
21 Huddersfield.
Jane MELROSE, head, 63, housekeeper, b Hawick, ROX
Isabella SCOUGALL, daur, 26, marr, ---b Lauder, BEW [sic]
William MELROSE, son, 21, carter, b Melrose, ROX
Andrew SCOUGALL, gr-son, 2 mos, b Galashiels, SEL
1881 Census 799 Ed 2 p 5 (Melrose - Roxburghshire)
Wilderness.
(3) Andrew SCOUGALL, head, marr, 32, baker, b Cranston, Edinburgh
Isabella SCOUGALL, wife, marr, 34, -------b Galashiels, SEL
Andrew SCOUGALL, son, 10, scholar, b Galashiels, SEL
Jane SCOUGALL, daur, 6, scholar, b Galashiels, SEL
Isabella SCOUGALL, daur, 3, -------b Melrose, ROX
Maggie SCOUGALL, daur, 9 mos, b Melrose, ROX
1891 census 799 Ed 1 p 31 (Melrose - Roxburghshire)
Scotts Place.
(3) Andrew SCOUGALL, head, marr, 42?, baker, b Dewarton, Edin.
Isabella SCOUGALL, wife, marr, 45, --------------b Galashiels, SEL
Isabella SCOUGALL, daur, 13, scholar, b Melrose, ROX
Maggie SCOUGALL, daur, 10, scholar, b Melrose, ROX
Mary SCOUGALL, daur, 7, scholar, b Melrose, ROX
1901 census 799-1 Ed 1 p 21 (Melrose - Roxburghshire)
Scotts Place.
(3) Andrew SCOUGAL, head, 52, nurseryman labourer, b Dewarton, Edin. [occupation change]
Isabella SCOUGAL, wife, 54, ---------------------------b Galashiels, SEL
Maggie SCOUGAL, daur, 20, nurse domestic, b Melrose, ROX
Mary D. SCOUGAL, daur, 17, dressmaker, b Melrose, ROX
Idda L. SCOUGAL, daur, 9, scholar, b Melrose, ROX [shd be gr-daur]
[Idda was born as Zida? Louise Scougall 21 Dec 1891 - illeg. daur of Jane Scougall]
1912 DC. 799-1. (Melrose)
Isabella SCOUGALL (65) married to (3) Andrew SCOUGALL, Postman. d. 23 JAN 1912 at Scott's Place, Melrose.
pas - William MELROSE (dcd) Carting contractor & Jean m/s LAMBERT (dcd)
Infmt - Andrew SCOUGALL, son, 42 Balcarres St, Edinburgh.
[Isabella Melrose's parents' names are very different from the 1870 MC]
1913 DC. 799-1. 52 (Melrose)
(3) Andrew SCOUGALL (65) Postman (rtd) widower of Isabella MELROSE.
d. 12 OCT 1913 at Scotts Place, Melrose.
Pas - (2) Andrew SCOUGALL (dcd) Farmer & Isabella m/s ORMISTON (dcd) [mind the 1870 MC said CROOKSTON]
Infmt - Andrew SCOUGALL, son, present.
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(3) Andrew SCOUGAL's (b.1848) sister in censuses 1871-1901 & half-sister 1881-1891.
Margaret SCOUGAL (b.1850)
Half sister,
Martha Thomson SCOUGALL, b 20 JAN 1875 at 51 Glover St, Leith. [d.1897 Edinburgh]
(pas - (2) Andrew SCOUGALL, vanman & Elizabeth CUMMING. Marrd. 5 JUN 1862, Bothwell, Lks)
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1871 census 685-1 Ed 85 p 10 (St George - Edinburgh)
11 Inverleith Row............ [with a Rotton family]
Margaret SCOUGAL, servant, u/m 21, under nurse, b Dewarton, Edin.
1881 Census: 685-1 EnumDist 48 Page 3 (Edinburgh - St Cuthberts)
7 West Maitland St... [with Isabella Gunn Lodging House Keeper]
Margaret SCOUGALL, U 31 F Chrichton, Edinburgh: Lodger Occ: Medical Nurse.
&
1881 Census: 559-3 EnumDist 2 Page 26 (Abbey, Renfrew)
42 Houstoun Square, Johnstone.
Janet MEIKLE W 53 F Newton, Edinburgh, Rel: Head Occ: Formally Laundress ....[m/s Cumming]
George MEIKLE U 19 M Bothwell, Lanark, Rel: Son Occ: Colliery Pay Clerk.
Martha SCOUGALL 6 F Leith, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Niece Occ: Scholar.
1891 census 685A-2 Ed 67 p 14 (St. George - Edinburgh)
13 Cornwall St.
Margaret SCOUGAL, head, u/m 41, medical nurse, b Crichton, MLN
Martha SCOUGAL, sister, 16, dressmaker, b Leith, MLN [actually Half-sister]
Sarah A SHEPHERD, servant, 21, genl. servant, b England
1901 census 692-1 Ed 29A p 7 (Leith North)
190 Ferry Rd. ............ [with a Beattie family]
Margaret SCOUGHAL, nurse, u/m 51, medical nurse, b Crichton, MLN
1927 DC. 685-5. 1464 (George Sq. Edinburgh) [RCE Precognition Vol 8 Page 169 24/1/28]
Margaret SCOUGAL (77) u/m Medical Nurse (rtd)
d. 11 DEC 1927 at Royal Infirmary, Edinburgh. Us. Res. Burntfield? Ave, Edinburgh.
Pas - (2) Andrew SCOUGAL (dcd) Farm Servant & Isabella m/s ORMISTON (dcd)
Infmt - David SCOUGAL, brother, 12 Dudley Terr, Leith.
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Aslo (3) Andrew & Margaret's half-brother,
DAVID SCOUGALL - Birth: 09 OCT 1866 Newton, Midlothian, Scotland
1936 DC. 706. 35 (Dunbar)........... [RCE Vol 3 Page 142. 15/6/1936]
David SCOUGAL (69) Food Manufacturer, married to Helen Bruce Bryden LAURENSON.
d. 17 MAY 1936 in front of Beechert? Dunbar. Us. Res. 12 Dudley Terr, Leith.
Pas - (2) Andrew SCOUGAL (dcd) Farm Grieve & Elizabeth m/s CUMMING (dcd)
Infmt - James SCOUGAL, son, 12 Dudley Terr, Leith.
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Now the CROOKSTON-DARLING side of the family.
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1841 census 680 Ed 5 p 11 (Cranston)
Sauchan Side.
Robert CROOKSTON, 40, miner, b MLN
* Mary CROOKSTON, 35, -----------b MLN
George CROOKSTON, 13, -------b MLN
Ann CROOKSTON, 9, -------------b MLN
William CROOKSTON, 5, --------b MLN
David CROOKSTON, 2, ---------b MLN
1851 census 674 Ed 1 p 10 (Borthwick)
Dewartown.
* Mary DARLING, head, Marr, 44, outdoor labourer, b Borthwick, MLN
David CROOKSTONE, son, 11, scholar/pauper, b Cranston, MLN
Janet CROOKSTONE, dair, 9, scholar, b Cranston, MLN
(3) Andrew SCOUGAL, gr-son, 2, ------b Borthwick, MLN
1861 census 680 Ed 1 p 4 (Cranston)
13 Chesterhill.
* Mary CROOKSTON, head, 54, dress maker, b Borthwick, Edin.
David CROOKSTON, son, 22, coalminer, b Cranston, Edin.
(3) Andrew SCOUGAL, gr-son, 12, labourer, b Borthwick, Edin.
&
1861 census 685-2 (St. George - Edinburgh)
The Edinburgh Institution for the Education of the Deaf. Page 2
# Joan PARVES [sic], 8, scholar, b Cranston, Dalkeith, Edinr. [Isabella Ormiston was in Dalkeith 1851]
1871 census 674 Ed 5 p 9 (Borthwick)
New Landrig.
* Mary CROCKSTONE, head, 65, -------------b Borthwick, Edin.
# Joan PURVES, gr-daur, 18, ---------------b Borthwick, Edin. ..... [for 1881 onwards see the FRAMEs below]
George HOWDEN, boarder, 5mos, -----b Pemont, Hadd.
==========================================
Robert FRAME - Christening: 24 JUL 1828 Tranent, East Lothian, Scotland [LDS Sub]
Isabella CROOKSTON - Birth: About 1826 Cranston, Midlothian, Death: 08 APR 1903 [LDS Sub]
Here are those censuses again for Isabella ORMISTON - but are they the correct lass?
The name, age, occupation, and birthplace of Cranston all fit in with what is known later.
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1841 census 710 Ed 3 p 7 (Humbie - East Lothian)
Windy Mains......... [with a William Maurow & family]
Isabella ORMISTON, 15, servant, b SCT
&
1851 census 683 Ed 5 p 1 (Dalkeith - Midlothian)
High St. South........ [with a David Jarden & family]
Isabella ORMISTON, servant, u/m 27, servant, b EdgeHead? Cranston, MLN [but shd be as married?]
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This is another incomplete MC - the parent column is completely blank for both Robt. & Isabella
1856 MC. 722. 2 (Tranent)
ROBT. FRAM (27) u/m coal miner of Meadow Mill, Parish of Tranent.
ISABELLA CROOKSTONE (28] u/m servant of Port Seton, Parish of Tranent. [shaved a few years off age...]
Marriage: 18 JUN 1856 at Cockenzie, Parish of Tranent. Established Ch. of Scotland.
witnesses - Willm. Sutherland & Christina Baxter.
~some children~
MARY FRAME - Birth: 29 MAY 1856 Tranent, East Lothian, Scotland
JAMES FRAME -Birth: 07 JAN 1858 Tranent, East Lothian, Scotland
ROBERT FRAME - Birth: 31 DEC 1859 Tranent, East Lothian, Scotland
GEORGE CROOKSTON FRAME - Birth: 15 MAR 1863 Prestonpans, East Lothian
ELIZABETH HASTIE FRAME - Birth: 11 DEC 1864 Prestonpans, East Lothian
MARTHA FRAME - Birth: 29 JAN 1867 Prestonpans, East Lothian, Scotland
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1861 census 722 Ed 10 p 3 (Tranent - Haddingtonshire)
Meadow Mill Village Street.
Robert FRAME, head, 32, coal miner, b Tranent Meadow Mill, Haddington
Isabella FRAME, wife, 36, do's wife, b Cranston, Edinburgh
Mary FRAME, daur, 4, ------------------b Tranent, Haddington
James FRAME, son, 3, ----------b Tranent Meadow Mill, Haddington
Robert FRAME, son, 1, ---------b Tranent Meadow Mill, Haddington
George TAIT, lodger, 48, coal miner, b Cranston, Edinburgh
1871 census 718 Ed 6 p 2 (Prestonpans - Haddingtonshire)
Preston Links.
Robert FRAME, head, 42, coal miner, b Tranent, Haddington
Isabella FRAME, wife, 47, -----------------b Cranston, Edinburgh
Mary FRAME, daur, 14, ------------------------b Tranent, Haddington
James FRAME, son, 13, father's assistant, b Tranent, Haddington
Robert FRAME, son, 11, ---------------------b Tranent, Haddington
George FRAME, son, 8, scholar, b Prestonpans, Haddingtonshire
Martha FRAME, daur, 4, -----------b Prestonpans, Haddingtonshire
James FRAME, father, 79, former? quarryman, b Dalserf, Lanark
George TAIT, lodger, 58, coal miner, b Cranston? Edinburgh
James GREY, lodger, 35, coal miner, b Monkland, Lanark
1881 Census 718 EnumDist 5 Page 3 Place: Prestonpans, Haddington
12 Front St, Cuthill.
Robert FRAME M 53 M Tranent, Haddington, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Coal Miner
Isabella FRAME M 57 F Cranston, Edinburgh, Rel: Wife Occ: Wife Of Coal Miner
James FRAME U 23 M Tranent, Haddington, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Coal Miner
Robert FRAME U 21 M Tranent, Haddington, Scotland Rel: Son Handicap: Imbecile
George FRAME U 18 M Prestonpans, Haddington, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Coal Miner
George TAIT U 68 M Crichton, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Boarder Occ: Coal Miner
# Joann PURVES U 27 F Borthwick, Edinburgh, Rel: Daur In Law Handicap: Deaf & Dumb Occ: Servant (Dom)
[Joann should be Step-Daur]
Isabella PURVES 4 F Prestonpans, Haddington, Scotland Rel: G Daur
William PURVES 1 M Prestonpans, Haddington, Scotland Rel: G Son
1891 census 718 ED 5 pp 24-25 (Prestonpans - Haddingtonshire)
Bankfoot, Cuthill.
Robert FRAME, head, 62, coal miner, b Prestonpans, Haddingtonshire
Isabella FRAME, wife, 67, coal miners wife, b Cranston, Edinburghshire
James FRAME, son, 33, coal miner, b Prestonpans, Haddingtonshire
Martha FRAME, daur, 24, general dom servant, b Prestonpans, Haddingtonshire
Isabella PURVES, gr-daur, 14, -----------------b Prestonpans, Haddingtonshire
William PURVES, gr-son, 11, scholar, b Prestonpans, Haddingtonshire
Mary PURVES, gr-daur, 7, scholar, b Prestonpans, Haddingtonshire
Isabella PURVES, gr-daur, 1, ------b Prestonpans, Haddingtonshire
[two gr-daurs named Isabella Purves?]
&
1891 census 689 Ed Inveresk Combination Poorhouse p 1
# Joan PURVES, inmate, 37, formerly fillet worker, b Prestonpans, Haddington
1901 census 718 ED: 5 Page: 16: Prestonpans: East Lothian
2 Bankfoot Ho.
Robert FRAME, head, 72, Coal Miner Retired b: Tranent, Haddingtonshire
Isabella FRAME, 76 wife ----------------------b Cranston, Haddingtonshire
James FRAME, 44 son, coal miner, hewer, b: Tranent, Haddingtonshire
Isabella FRAME, 23 visitor, domestic servant, b: Tranent, Haddingtonshire
William FRAME, 20 boarder, coal miner, hewer, b: Tranent, Haddingtonshire
&
1901 census 689 Ed Inveresk Combination Poorhouse p 1
# Johan PURVES, 52 [sic], inmate, laundress, b Prestonpans, Haddington
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1902 DC. 718. 45 (Prestonpans)
Robert FRAME (74) coal miner, married to Isabella CROOKSTON.
d. 4 OCT 1902 at Bankfoot, Prestonpans.
pas - James FRAME (dcd) & --------FRAME m/s --------- (dcd)
Infmt - George FRAME, son, present. [didn't know gr-mother's name]
--
1903 DC. 718. 11 (Prestonpans)
Isabella FRAME (77), widow of Robert FRAME, coal miner.
d. 8 APR 1903 at Bankfoot, Prestonpans.
pas - David CROOKSTON (dcd) coal miner & Mary m/s DARLING (dcd)
Infmt - George FRAME, son, present. [got forename wrong? - shd be Robert CROOKSTON?]
--
1922 DC. 689. 158 (Inveresk & Musselburgh)
# Joan PURVES [68] single, d. 18 MAY 1922 at 6 Woddesburn? Terrace, Inveresk.
pas - no father's name & mother Isabella CROOKSTON afterwards married to Robert FRAME. (dcd)
Infmt - M. Macadam, nurse.
==================
Hope you can make some sense of it....but more importantly; can you believe it's all true...?
Jack
What is written below isn't helping any in finding the DC of Mary CROOKSTON m/s DARLING.
I know that's what you were originally trying to get, and i can't see it either.
Perhaps Mary's surname has been very wrongly listed? or is she missing from the GROS indexes?
Only way i suppose would be to check the fiche at NRH, and hope she did die in Borthwick, or at least Edinburgh.
(otherwise it would be a long drawn out hunt....even all Edinburgh might take a bit of searching)
Story time now, but there is quite a lot of good info to be gleaned from these censuses & BMDs.
You'll notice some names have numbers etc. - these were just to help me identify as i went along; eg,
(1) Andrew Scougal (1804-1871) is the father of,
(2) Andrew Scougal (1825-1877) who is father (with Isabella Ormiston) of,
(3) Andrew Scougal (1848-1913) who married Isabella Melrose in 1870.
(4) Andrew Scougal (1864-?) son of (2) Andrew & Elizabeth Cumming.
Also that some things are duplicated - again to help me as i was getting a bit confuddled with it all.
You already have some of this, and it's only to keep it all together.
So here are my ramblings...and unless i'm completely wrong (not unknown for me)...then,
Isabella ORMISTON looks to be the daur of Mary DARLING (either illegitimate, or from a previous marriage).
And that some time after 1851 she used her step-father's surname and became Isabella CROOKSTON?
If what i'm thinking is correct, and unless there was a divorce, then both
(2) Andrew SCOUGAL & Isabella ORMISTON/CROOKSTON were bigamists....
Reason being that since their two children are as Lawful, then we can only think that they were married.
Unless Lawful is an error?
Both the childrens births, (3) Andrew (1848) & Margaret (1850), are recorded on the same OPR page in the year 1854.
(2) Andrew SCOUGAL on the 1851 & 1861 censuses is as single - as too is Isabella ORMISTON in 1851 (married by 1861).
That they split up around 1850 seems clear enough anyway.
=====
Starting with the SCOUGALs,
(2) ANDREW SCOUGAL & ISABELLA ORMISTON
Two children...
(3) ANDREW SCOUGAL - Birth: 25 JUN 1848, Borthwick, Midlothian [Lawful son]
MARGARET SCOUGAL - Birth: 31 JAN 1850, Borthwick, Midlothian [Lawful daur]
--
1851 census 689 Ed 4 p 1 (Inveresk)
Smeaton.
(1) Andrew SCOUGAL, head, marr, 45, farm overseer, b Cockpen, MLN
Margaret SCOUGAL, wife, marr, 56, -----------------b Newbattle, MLN.........[m/s Kilgour]
(2) Andrew SCOUGAL, son, u/m 25, farm servant, b Newbattle, MLN ...[but shd be as married?]
Alexander SCOUGAL, son, 13, farm labourer, b Borthwick, MLN...[Informant on bro Andrew's 1871 DC]
Margaret SCOUGAL, daur, 1, ----------------b Borthwick, MLN ...[shd be gr-daur; became a nurse; see later notes]
1861 census 689 Ed 1 p 31 (Inveresk)
Smeaton Farm Cottages.
(1) Andrew SCOUGALL, head, 55, farm steward, b Cockpen, Edin.
(2) Andrew SCOUGALL, son, u/m, 35, ploughman, b Newbattle, Edin. .....[but again shd be as married?]
Margret SCOUGALL, gr-daur, 11, scholar, b Borthwick, Edin.
Helen KILGOUR, niece, 24, housekeeper, b Temple, Edin.
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1871 DC. 689. 236 (Inveresk)
(1) Andrew SCOUGALL (65) general labourer d. 20 NOV 1871 at Crossgatehill, Inveresk.
Married to 1. Margaret KILGOUR. 2. Elizabeth PATERSON.
pas - Alexander SCOUGALL (dcd) carter & Jean BRUCE (dcd)
Infmt - (2) Andrew SCOUGALL, son, 51 Glover St, South Leith.
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Unfortunately this 1862 MC are blank for marital statuses & occupations....but at least Andrew's address of Smeaton fits.
I see he names another son (4) Andrew (b.1864) even though the (3) Andrew (b.1848) is still living.
1862 MC. 625-1. 13 (Bothwell)
(2) Andrew SCOUGALL (30) [no marital status or occupation] of Smeaton, Parish of Inveresk. [shaved a few years off age]
pas - (1) Andrew SCOUGALL, farm servant & Margaret m/s KILGOUR (dcd)
= 5 JUN 1862 at Bothwell. Forms of Free Church of Scotland.
Elizabeth CUMMING (28] [no marital status or occupation] of Glentyan, Parish of Kilbarchan.
pas - David CUMMING, mason & Mary m/s THOMPSON.
wits - John KILGOUR & Susan LORIMER.
~some children~
James Stirling SCOUGALL - Birth: 09 MAY 1863 Inveresk With Musselburgh, Midlothian
(4) Andrew SCOUGALL - Birth: 08 DEC 1864 Newton, Midlothian, Scotland
David SCOUGALL - Birth: 09 OCT 1866 Newton, Midlothian, Scotland
Martha Thomson SCOUGALL, b 20 JAN 1875 at 51 Glover St, Leith.
1871 census 692/2 ED: 5 Page: 35 (Leith South)
2 Mclaren Place.
(2) Andrew SCOUGALL, head, 45, Labourer, b New Battle, Edin.shire
Elizabeth SCOUGALL, wife, 37 ----------------b Inveresk, Edin.shire [Elizabeth d.1877 at Leith]
James Stirling SCOUGALL, son, 7, scholar, b Inveresk, Edin.shire [James d.1878 at Bothwell]
(4) Andrew SCOUGALL, son, 6, scholar, b Newton, Edin.shire
David SCOUGALL, son, 4,--------------b Newton, Edin.shire [1881 census at Douglas, LKS]
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1877 DC. 692-2. 493 (Leith South)
(2) Andrew SCOUGALL (50) Van Driver, married to Elizabeth CUMMING......[no 1st wife Isa Ormiston or Crookston]
d. 18 AUG 1877 at 51 Glover St, Leith.
Pas - (1) Andrew SCOUGALL (dcd) Farm Servant & Margaret m/s KILGOUR (dcd)
Infmt - Alexander SCOUGALL, brother, Westfield Cottages, Dalkeith.
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1870 MC. 775. 52 (Galashiels)
(3) Andrew SCOUGALL (22) u/m baker j/man of Melrose.
pas - (2) Andrew SCOUGALL, farm steward & Isabella m/s CROOKSTON [note neither parents are as deceased]
= 16 DEC 1870 at St. Peter's Episcopal Church, Galashiels. Forms of Episcopal Ch.
Isabella MELROSE (26) u/m woolen powerloom weaver of Huddersfield St, Galashiels.
pas - John MELROSE (dcd) common labourer & Jane m/s TURNBULL.
wits - James ARCHABALD & George HOGG.
1871 census 799-1 Ed 2 p 10 (Melrose - Roxburghshire)
Wilderness Lane.........[with a Walter Lamb & family]
(3) Andrew SEWELL [sic] , lodger, 22, marr, baker, b Dewarton, Edin.
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1871 census 775-1 Ed 3 p 16 (Galashiels - Selkirkshire)
21 Huddersfield.
Jane MELROSE, head, 63, housekeeper, b Hawick, ROX
Isabella SCOUGALL, daur, 26, marr, ---b Lauder, BEW [sic]
William MELROSE, son, 21, carter, b Melrose, ROX
Andrew SCOUGALL, gr-son, 2 mos, b Galashiels, SEL
1881 Census 799 Ed 2 p 5 (Melrose - Roxburghshire)
Wilderness.
(3) Andrew SCOUGALL, head, marr, 32, baker, b Cranston, Edinburgh
Isabella SCOUGALL, wife, marr, 34, -------b Galashiels, SEL
Andrew SCOUGALL, son, 10, scholar, b Galashiels, SEL
Jane SCOUGALL, daur, 6, scholar, b Galashiels, SEL
Isabella SCOUGALL, daur, 3, -------b Melrose, ROX
Maggie SCOUGALL, daur, 9 mos, b Melrose, ROX
1891 census 799 Ed 1 p 31 (Melrose - Roxburghshire)
Scotts Place.
(3) Andrew SCOUGALL, head, marr, 42?, baker, b Dewarton, Edin.
Isabella SCOUGALL, wife, marr, 45, --------------b Galashiels, SEL
Isabella SCOUGALL, daur, 13, scholar, b Melrose, ROX
Maggie SCOUGALL, daur, 10, scholar, b Melrose, ROX
Mary SCOUGALL, daur, 7, scholar, b Melrose, ROX
1901 census 799-1 Ed 1 p 21 (Melrose - Roxburghshire)
Scotts Place.
(3) Andrew SCOUGAL, head, 52, nurseryman labourer, b Dewarton, Edin. [occupation change]
Isabella SCOUGAL, wife, 54, ---------------------------b Galashiels, SEL
Maggie SCOUGAL, daur, 20, nurse domestic, b Melrose, ROX
Mary D. SCOUGAL, daur, 17, dressmaker, b Melrose, ROX
Idda L. SCOUGAL, daur, 9, scholar, b Melrose, ROX [shd be gr-daur]
[Idda was born as Zida? Louise Scougall 21 Dec 1891 - illeg. daur of Jane Scougall]
1912 DC. 799-1. (Melrose)
Isabella SCOUGALL (65) married to (3) Andrew SCOUGALL, Postman. d. 23 JAN 1912 at Scott's Place, Melrose.
pas - William MELROSE (dcd) Carting contractor & Jean m/s LAMBERT (dcd)
Infmt - Andrew SCOUGALL, son, 42 Balcarres St, Edinburgh.
[Isabella Melrose's parents' names are very different from the 1870 MC]
1913 DC. 799-1. 52 (Melrose)
(3) Andrew SCOUGALL (65) Postman (rtd) widower of Isabella MELROSE.
d. 12 OCT 1913 at Scotts Place, Melrose.
Pas - (2) Andrew SCOUGALL (dcd) Farmer & Isabella m/s ORMISTON (dcd) [mind the 1870 MC said CROOKSTON]
Infmt - Andrew SCOUGALL, son, present.
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(3) Andrew SCOUGAL's (b.1848) sister in censuses 1871-1901 & half-sister 1881-1891.
Margaret SCOUGAL (b.1850)
Half sister,
Martha Thomson SCOUGALL, b 20 JAN 1875 at 51 Glover St, Leith. [d.1897 Edinburgh]
(pas - (2) Andrew SCOUGALL, vanman & Elizabeth CUMMING. Marrd. 5 JUN 1862, Bothwell, Lks)
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1871 census 685-1 Ed 85 p 10 (St George - Edinburgh)
11 Inverleith Row............ [with a Rotton family]
Margaret SCOUGAL, servant, u/m 21, under nurse, b Dewarton, Edin.
1881 Census: 685-1 EnumDist 48 Page 3 (Edinburgh - St Cuthberts)
7 West Maitland St... [with Isabella Gunn Lodging House Keeper]
Margaret SCOUGALL, U 31 F Chrichton, Edinburgh: Lodger Occ: Medical Nurse.
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1881 Census: 559-3 EnumDist 2 Page 26 (Abbey, Renfrew)
42 Houstoun Square, Johnstone.
Janet MEIKLE W 53 F Newton, Edinburgh, Rel: Head Occ: Formally Laundress ....[m/s Cumming]
George MEIKLE U 19 M Bothwell, Lanark, Rel: Son Occ: Colliery Pay Clerk.
Martha SCOUGALL 6 F Leith, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Niece Occ: Scholar.
1891 census 685A-2 Ed 67 p 14 (St. George - Edinburgh)
13 Cornwall St.
Margaret SCOUGAL, head, u/m 41, medical nurse, b Crichton, MLN
Martha SCOUGAL, sister, 16, dressmaker, b Leith, MLN [actually Half-sister]
Sarah A SHEPHERD, servant, 21, genl. servant, b England
1901 census 692-1 Ed 29A p 7 (Leith North)
190 Ferry Rd. ............ [with a Beattie family]
Margaret SCOUGHAL, nurse, u/m 51, medical nurse, b Crichton, MLN
1927 DC. 685-5. 1464 (George Sq. Edinburgh) [RCE Precognition Vol 8 Page 169 24/1/28]
Margaret SCOUGAL (77) u/m Medical Nurse (rtd)
d. 11 DEC 1927 at Royal Infirmary, Edinburgh. Us. Res. Burntfield? Ave, Edinburgh.
Pas - (2) Andrew SCOUGAL (dcd) Farm Servant & Isabella m/s ORMISTON (dcd)
Infmt - David SCOUGAL, brother, 12 Dudley Terr, Leith.
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Aslo (3) Andrew & Margaret's half-brother,
DAVID SCOUGALL - Birth: 09 OCT 1866 Newton, Midlothian, Scotland
1936 DC. 706. 35 (Dunbar)........... [RCE Vol 3 Page 142. 15/6/1936]
David SCOUGAL (69) Food Manufacturer, married to Helen Bruce Bryden LAURENSON.
d. 17 MAY 1936 in front of Beechert? Dunbar. Us. Res. 12 Dudley Terr, Leith.
Pas - (2) Andrew SCOUGAL (dcd) Farm Grieve & Elizabeth m/s CUMMING (dcd)
Infmt - James SCOUGAL, son, 12 Dudley Terr, Leith.
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Now the CROOKSTON-DARLING side of the family.
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1841 census 680 Ed 5 p 11 (Cranston)
Sauchan Side.
Robert CROOKSTON, 40, miner, b MLN
* Mary CROOKSTON, 35, -----------b MLN
George CROOKSTON, 13, -------b MLN
Ann CROOKSTON, 9, -------------b MLN
William CROOKSTON, 5, --------b MLN
David CROOKSTON, 2, ---------b MLN
1851 census 674 Ed 1 p 10 (Borthwick)
Dewartown.
* Mary DARLING, head, Marr, 44, outdoor labourer, b Borthwick, MLN
David CROOKSTONE, son, 11, scholar/pauper, b Cranston, MLN
Janet CROOKSTONE, dair, 9, scholar, b Cranston, MLN
(3) Andrew SCOUGAL, gr-son, 2, ------b Borthwick, MLN
1861 census 680 Ed 1 p 4 (Cranston)
13 Chesterhill.
* Mary CROOKSTON, head, 54, dress maker, b Borthwick, Edin.
David CROOKSTON, son, 22, coalminer, b Cranston, Edin.
(3) Andrew SCOUGAL, gr-son, 12, labourer, b Borthwick, Edin.
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1861 census 685-2 (St. George - Edinburgh)
The Edinburgh Institution for the Education of the Deaf. Page 2
# Joan PARVES [sic], 8, scholar, b Cranston, Dalkeith, Edinr. [Isabella Ormiston was in Dalkeith 1851]
1871 census 674 Ed 5 p 9 (Borthwick)
New Landrig.
* Mary CROCKSTONE, head, 65, -------------b Borthwick, Edin.
# Joan PURVES, gr-daur, 18, ---------------b Borthwick, Edin. ..... [for 1881 onwards see the FRAMEs below]
George HOWDEN, boarder, 5mos, -----b Pemont, Hadd.
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Robert FRAME - Christening: 24 JUL 1828 Tranent, East Lothian, Scotland [LDS Sub]
Isabella CROOKSTON - Birth: About 1826 Cranston, Midlothian, Death: 08 APR 1903 [LDS Sub]
Here are those censuses again for Isabella ORMISTON - but are they the correct lass?
The name, age, occupation, and birthplace of Cranston all fit in with what is known later.
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1841 census 710 Ed 3 p 7 (Humbie - East Lothian)
Windy Mains......... [with a William Maurow & family]
Isabella ORMISTON, 15, servant, b SCT
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1851 census 683 Ed 5 p 1 (Dalkeith - Midlothian)
High St. South........ [with a David Jarden & family]
Isabella ORMISTON, servant, u/m 27, servant, b EdgeHead? Cranston, MLN [but shd be as married?]
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This is another incomplete MC - the parent column is completely blank for both Robt. & Isabella
1856 MC. 722. 2 (Tranent)
ROBT. FRAM (27) u/m coal miner of Meadow Mill, Parish of Tranent.
ISABELLA CROOKSTONE (28] u/m servant of Port Seton, Parish of Tranent. [shaved a few years off age...]
Marriage: 18 JUN 1856 at Cockenzie, Parish of Tranent. Established Ch. of Scotland.
witnesses - Willm. Sutherland & Christina Baxter.
~some children~
MARY FRAME - Birth: 29 MAY 1856 Tranent, East Lothian, Scotland
JAMES FRAME -Birth: 07 JAN 1858 Tranent, East Lothian, Scotland
ROBERT FRAME - Birth: 31 DEC 1859 Tranent, East Lothian, Scotland
GEORGE CROOKSTON FRAME - Birth: 15 MAR 1863 Prestonpans, East Lothian
ELIZABETH HASTIE FRAME - Birth: 11 DEC 1864 Prestonpans, East Lothian
MARTHA FRAME - Birth: 29 JAN 1867 Prestonpans, East Lothian, Scotland
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1861 census 722 Ed 10 p 3 (Tranent - Haddingtonshire)
Meadow Mill Village Street.
Robert FRAME, head, 32, coal miner, b Tranent Meadow Mill, Haddington
Isabella FRAME, wife, 36, do's wife, b Cranston, Edinburgh
Mary FRAME, daur, 4, ------------------b Tranent, Haddington
James FRAME, son, 3, ----------b Tranent Meadow Mill, Haddington
Robert FRAME, son, 1, ---------b Tranent Meadow Mill, Haddington
George TAIT, lodger, 48, coal miner, b Cranston, Edinburgh
1871 census 718 Ed 6 p 2 (Prestonpans - Haddingtonshire)
Preston Links.
Robert FRAME, head, 42, coal miner, b Tranent, Haddington
Isabella FRAME, wife, 47, -----------------b Cranston, Edinburgh
Mary FRAME, daur, 14, ------------------------b Tranent, Haddington
James FRAME, son, 13, father's assistant, b Tranent, Haddington
Robert FRAME, son, 11, ---------------------b Tranent, Haddington
George FRAME, son, 8, scholar, b Prestonpans, Haddingtonshire
Martha FRAME, daur, 4, -----------b Prestonpans, Haddingtonshire
James FRAME, father, 79, former? quarryman, b Dalserf, Lanark
George TAIT, lodger, 58, coal miner, b Cranston? Edinburgh
James GREY, lodger, 35, coal miner, b Monkland, Lanark
1881 Census 718 EnumDist 5 Page 3 Place: Prestonpans, Haddington
12 Front St, Cuthill.
Robert FRAME M 53 M Tranent, Haddington, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Coal Miner
Isabella FRAME M 57 F Cranston, Edinburgh, Rel: Wife Occ: Wife Of Coal Miner
James FRAME U 23 M Tranent, Haddington, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Coal Miner
Robert FRAME U 21 M Tranent, Haddington, Scotland Rel: Son Handicap: Imbecile
George FRAME U 18 M Prestonpans, Haddington, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Coal Miner
George TAIT U 68 M Crichton, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Boarder Occ: Coal Miner
# Joann PURVES U 27 F Borthwick, Edinburgh, Rel: Daur In Law Handicap: Deaf & Dumb Occ: Servant (Dom)
[Joann should be Step-Daur]
Isabella PURVES 4 F Prestonpans, Haddington, Scotland Rel: G Daur
William PURVES 1 M Prestonpans, Haddington, Scotland Rel: G Son
1891 census 718 ED 5 pp 24-25 (Prestonpans - Haddingtonshire)
Bankfoot, Cuthill.
Robert FRAME, head, 62, coal miner, b Prestonpans, Haddingtonshire
Isabella FRAME, wife, 67, coal miners wife, b Cranston, Edinburghshire
James FRAME, son, 33, coal miner, b Prestonpans, Haddingtonshire
Martha FRAME, daur, 24, general dom servant, b Prestonpans, Haddingtonshire
Isabella PURVES, gr-daur, 14, -----------------b Prestonpans, Haddingtonshire
William PURVES, gr-son, 11, scholar, b Prestonpans, Haddingtonshire
Mary PURVES, gr-daur, 7, scholar, b Prestonpans, Haddingtonshire
Isabella PURVES, gr-daur, 1, ------b Prestonpans, Haddingtonshire
[two gr-daurs named Isabella Purves?]
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1891 census 689 Ed Inveresk Combination Poorhouse p 1
# Joan PURVES, inmate, 37, formerly fillet worker, b Prestonpans, Haddington
1901 census 718 ED: 5 Page: 16: Prestonpans: East Lothian
2 Bankfoot Ho.
Robert FRAME, head, 72, Coal Miner Retired b: Tranent, Haddingtonshire
Isabella FRAME, 76 wife ----------------------b Cranston, Haddingtonshire
James FRAME, 44 son, coal miner, hewer, b: Tranent, Haddingtonshire
Isabella FRAME, 23 visitor, domestic servant, b: Tranent, Haddingtonshire
William FRAME, 20 boarder, coal miner, hewer, b: Tranent, Haddingtonshire
&
1901 census 689 Ed Inveresk Combination Poorhouse p 1
# Johan PURVES, 52 [sic], inmate, laundress, b Prestonpans, Haddington
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1902 DC. 718. 45 (Prestonpans)
Robert FRAME (74) coal miner, married to Isabella CROOKSTON.
d. 4 OCT 1902 at Bankfoot, Prestonpans.
pas - James FRAME (dcd) & --------FRAME m/s --------- (dcd)
Infmt - George FRAME, son, present. [didn't know gr-mother's name]
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1903 DC. 718. 11 (Prestonpans)
Isabella FRAME (77), widow of Robert FRAME, coal miner.
d. 8 APR 1903 at Bankfoot, Prestonpans.
pas - David CROOKSTON (dcd) coal miner & Mary m/s DARLING (dcd)
Infmt - George FRAME, son, present. [got forename wrong? - shd be Robert CROOKSTON?]
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1922 DC. 689. 158 (Inveresk & Musselburgh)
# Joan PURVES [68] single, d. 18 MAY 1922 at 6 Woddesburn? Terrace, Inveresk.
pas - no father's name & mother Isabella CROOKSTON afterwards married to Robert FRAME. (dcd)
Infmt - M. Macadam, nurse.
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Hope you can make some sense of it....but more importantly; can you believe it's all true...?
Jack
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pinkshoes
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Holy Moley Jack! Have you been outside at all in the last week 
Thank you so much for all your efforts. I have not digested it yet
but I've printed your reply so I can look at all the various info a bit at a time. Some progress has been made with some of it but I'll sort it out and compare with your results.
However, Mary Crookston ms Darling (this is where we came in) - Mary was a game bird, outliving her 3 husbands, David Crookston, his brother Robert then William Mustard. Her DC makes no mention of the Crookston brothers, hence the difficulty in finding her.
Scoufal/Ormiston - the possible bigamy theory is intriguing, of course, and I shall follow it up pronto.
Apologies for the brevity of this reply - it's embarrassing given the amount of effort you've put into this, but I have to attend to domestic matters right now (Mr Pinkshoes has just served some trifle which I'm told I have to eat)
I shall be back when I've digested your reply and the trifle.
Thanks just doesn't do it - you are such a sweetie!
Best wishes
Pinkshoes
Thank you so much for all your efforts. I have not digested it yet
but I've printed your reply so I can look at all the various info a bit at a time. Some progress has been made with some of it but I'll sort it out and compare with your results.However, Mary Crookston ms Darling (this is where we came in) - Mary was a game bird, outliving her 3 husbands, David Crookston, his brother Robert then William Mustard. Her DC makes no mention of the Crookston brothers, hence the difficulty in finding her.
Scoufal/Ormiston - the possible bigamy theory is intriguing, of course, and I shall follow it up pronto.
Apologies for the brevity of this reply - it's embarrassing given the amount of effort you've put into this, but I have to attend to domestic matters right now (Mr Pinkshoes has just served some trifle which I'm told I have to eat)
I shall be back when I've digested your reply and the trifle.
Thanks just doesn't do it - you are such a sweetie!
Best wishes
Pinkshoes
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alysone
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Another window onto this puzzle
Hi Jack & pinkshoes,
I am following this with avid interest. Mary Darling was my 3rd great grandmother. Her daughter, Ann, married Thomas Bird in 1858 in Prestonpans. Her parents were registered as: William Crookston, coal miner & Mary Crookston (Darling). I have been frustrated at not finding her birth certificate. At the time of her marriage, she gave her age as 26. The witness was Wm Crookston, presumably her brother?
I have Ann's DC in 1915. Not a great help either, sadly. Parents are registered as ____ Crookston, collier clerk Dec. & ____Crookston, MS ____ Dec.
pinkshoes, I am starting to be confused and forgetful here, but as I recall we have no clear record for 2nd hubby, Robert Crookston's death, either?
Just when I think I have a clear sense of this family, bingo & up pop more puzzles! I am very grateful for all the time you have spent on this, Jack. I, too am going to print it and ponder.
I am following this with avid interest. Mary Darling was my 3rd great grandmother. Her daughter, Ann, married Thomas Bird in 1858 in Prestonpans. Her parents were registered as: William Crookston, coal miner & Mary Crookston (Darling). I have been frustrated at not finding her birth certificate. At the time of her marriage, she gave her age as 26. The witness was Wm Crookston, presumably her brother?
I have Ann's DC in 1915. Not a great help either, sadly. Parents are registered as ____ Crookston, collier clerk Dec. & ____Crookston, MS ____ Dec.
pinkshoes, I am starting to be confused and forgetful here, but as I recall we have no clear record for 2nd hubby, Robert Crookston's death, either?
Just when I think I have a clear sense of this family, bingo & up pop more puzzles! I am very grateful for all the time you have spent on this, Jack. I, too am going to print it and ponder.
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pinkshoes
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Hi Jack & Alysone
Jack the information you've gone to so much trouble to post is invaluable. Alysone - we have much work to do Like we didn't know! I seem to recall we were so pleased to have cracked this lot (as we thought), we maybe weren't as thorough as we should have been. Thanks to Jack, this can be remedied, though not speedily
So, as well as thanks for getting all the information Jack, thanks too for a timely reminder of the wisdom of not accepting everything on a plate as it were. How many times - well lessons keep coming back at us until we've learned them!
Alysone - You're right, we didn't pin down 2nd hubby's death (Robert), and possibly won't do it easily as he died before 1855. Jack has Mary in 1851 census - head of household, married. Where (and who ) is the current husband. She married William Mustard in 1849, so assume it was him. So Robert Crookston died between 1842 (last child's birth) and 1849. I don't think we have much on 1st husband David either. She married Robert in 1828, but I can't see a marriage to David 
Re Isabella Ormiston/Crookston - something else to throw into the pot. I can't see a birth of Isabella to Mary Darling with or without husband. What I can see on IGI is Isabella Ormiston born to James Ormiston and Isabella Kilgour in 1828 at St Cuthberts, Edinburgh. This birthdate ties in roughly with Jack's findings in 1841 and 1851 censuses (censi, censusi?). The Kilgour connection with Mary Darling is strong, via Scougal, Ormiston, and poss Crookstons. So, did Mary take Isabella under her wing?
Also, the informant on Mary Darling's death cert is Robert Crookston, son. I haven't been able to turn him up on IGI, so name of father is as yet unknown. There are 17 Robert Crooks*on* deaths on SP between 1855 and 1956 - I've looked at the likely ones, but not scared up Mary's son yet. There is one in 1934 aged 84 in Lasswade MLN but the credits expired before I got to him. Dang!! Another shilling in the gas meter will do the trick.
Little by little ...
Best wishes
Pinkshoes
Later - I now have the DC for Robert Crookston 1934 - not our man, but he was the husband of Mary Scougal. His parents were George Crookston and Catherine Johnston. Alysone store this info - I'm sure we'll need it some time!
Jack the information you've gone to so much trouble to post is invaluable. Alysone - we have much work to do
Like we didn't know! I seem to recall we were so pleased to have cracked this lot (as we thought), we maybe weren't as thorough as we should have been. Thanks to Jack, this can be remedied, though not speedily So, as well as thanks for getting all the information Jack, thanks too for a timely reminder of the wisdom of not accepting everything on a plate as it were. How many times - well lessons keep coming back at us until we've learned them!
Alysone - You're right, we didn't pin down 2nd hubby's death (Robert), and possibly won't do it easily as he died before 1855. Jack has Mary in 1851 census - head of household, married. Where (and who
) is the current husband. She married William Mustard in 1849, so assume it was him. So Robert Crookston died between 1842 (last child's birth) and 1849. I don't think we have much on 1st husband David either. She married Robert in 1828, but I can't see a marriage to David Re Isabella Ormiston/Crookston - something else to throw into the pot. I can't see a birth of Isabella to Mary Darling with or without husband. What I can see on IGI is Isabella Ormiston born to James Ormiston and Isabella Kilgour in 1828 at St Cuthberts, Edinburgh. This birthdate ties in roughly with Jack's findings in 1841 and 1851 censuses (censi, censusi?). The Kilgour connection with Mary Darling is strong, via Scougal, Ormiston, and poss Crookstons. So, did Mary take Isabella under her wing?
Also, the informant on Mary Darling's death cert is Robert Crookston, son. I haven't been able to turn him up on IGI, so name of father is as yet unknown. There are 17 Robert Crooks*on* deaths on SP between 1855 and 1956 - I've looked at the likely ones, but not scared up Mary's son yet. There is one in 1934 aged 84 in Lasswade MLN but the credits expired before I got to him. Dang!! Another shilling in the gas meter will do the trick.
Little by little ...
Best wishes
Pinkshoes
Later - I now have the DC for Robert Crookston 1934 - not our man, but he was the husband of Mary Scougal. His parents were George Crookston and Catherine Johnston. Alysone store this info - I'm sure we'll need it some time!
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alysone
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which George Crookston?
Hi pinkshoes,
I wonder if the George Crookston, you mention might be the one born Aug. 15 1855 at Stobhill? Of parents James Crookston, 1831 & Mary Matheson, 1833? Or the one born Aug. 25 1856 at Bishopbrigge to James Crookston & Catherine Lus, 1833?
I think I will go drop a few bob in the meter & see if I can get anywhere on that. Onward!
I wonder if the George Crookston, you mention might be the one born Aug. 15 1855 at Stobhill? Of parents James Crookston, 1831 & Mary Matheson, 1833? Or the one born Aug. 25 1856 at Bishopbrigge to James Crookston & Catherine Lus, 1833?
I think I will go drop a few bob in the meter & see if I can get anywhere on that. Onward!-
Jack
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Edgehead Farm
Hi Alysone and Pinkshoes,
Nothing of import, just more to get in the way.
Isabella Ormiston (27) in 1851 says she was born Edgehead, Cranston.
I'd a quick look at the place in 1841 & 1851.
There is an Ormiston family (other surnames too) at the address,
and possibly just coincidence that there is an Archibald Scougal working there in 1851.
His birthplace of Newbattle is the same as (2) Andrew Scougal (b.1825)
But Archibald's parents are probably an Adam Scougal & Janet Mitchell.
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1841 census 680 Ed 4 p 5 (Cranston)
Edgehead.
Robert ORMISTON, 75, farmer, b SCT
(illegible) ORMISTON, 41, farmer, b MLN [very probably James]
Janet ORMISTON, 25, ------------b MLN [m/s Robertson]
William ORMISTON, 32, carter, b MLN
Janet SHILLINGLAW, 23, servant, b MLN
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1851 census 680 Ed 4 p 3 (Cranston)
Edgehead Farm..... [schedule 7]
Janet ORMISTON, head, widow, 36, farmer of 140 acres, b Cranston, MLN
Robert ORMISTON, son, 9, scholar, b Cranston, MLN
Janet ORMISTON, daur, 4, scholar, b Cranston, MLN
Christina ORMISTON, daur, 2, ------b Cranston, MLN
Elizabeth FRASER, servant, u/m 25, house servant, b Fala, MLN
next -
Edgehead Farm Stables ....[schedule 8]
George JOHNSTON, head, u/m 21, farm labourer to Janet Ormiston, b Temple, MLN
George MIDDLEMASS, u/m 20, farm labourer to Janet Ormiston, b Ormiston, ELN
John MIDDLEMASS, u/m 18, farm labourer to Janet Ormiston, b Fala, MLN
Archibald SCOUGALL, u/m 19, farm labourer to Janet Ormiston, b Newbattle, MLN
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There is a 10yr old Archibald at Smeaton Shaw, Inveresk 1841 with Adam Scougall 30, ag. lab. & Janet 30.
Smeaton is where (1) Andrew Scougal is in 1841, 1851, 1861.
But more than likely all these Scougals are related in some way, so no great surprise to see them near one another.
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I think i'd better back off - you've enough confusion as it is.
Jack
Nothing of import, just more to get in the way.
Isabella Ormiston (27) in 1851 says she was born Edgehead, Cranston.
I'd a quick look at the place in 1841 & 1851.
There is an Ormiston family (other surnames too) at the address,
and possibly just coincidence that there is an Archibald Scougal working there in 1851.
His birthplace of Newbattle is the same as (2) Andrew Scougal (b.1825)
But Archibald's parents are probably an Adam Scougal & Janet Mitchell.
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1841 census 680 Ed 4 p 5 (Cranston)
Edgehead.
Robert ORMISTON, 75, farmer, b SCT
(illegible) ORMISTON, 41, farmer, b MLN [very probably James]
Janet ORMISTON, 25, ------------b MLN [m/s Robertson]
William ORMISTON, 32, carter, b MLN
Janet SHILLINGLAW, 23, servant, b MLN
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1851 census 680 Ed 4 p 3 (Cranston)
Edgehead Farm..... [schedule 7]
Janet ORMISTON, head, widow, 36, farmer of 140 acres, b Cranston, MLN
Robert ORMISTON, son, 9, scholar, b Cranston, MLN
Janet ORMISTON, daur, 4, scholar, b Cranston, MLN
Christina ORMISTON, daur, 2, ------b Cranston, MLN
Elizabeth FRASER, servant, u/m 25, house servant, b Fala, MLN
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Edgehead Farm Stables ....[schedule 8]
George JOHNSTON, head, u/m 21, farm labourer to Janet Ormiston, b Temple, MLN
George MIDDLEMASS, u/m 20, farm labourer to Janet Ormiston, b Ormiston, ELN
John MIDDLEMASS, u/m 18, farm labourer to Janet Ormiston, b Fala, MLN
Archibald SCOUGALL, u/m 19, farm labourer to Janet Ormiston, b Newbattle, MLN
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There is a 10yr old Archibald at Smeaton Shaw, Inveresk 1841 with Adam Scougall 30, ag. lab. & Janet 30.
Smeaton is where (1) Andrew Scougal is in 1841, 1851, 1861.
But more than likely all these Scougals are related in some way, so no great surprise to see them near one another.
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I think i'd better back off - you've enough confusion as it is.
Jack
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Jack - we certainly have confusion, but please don't back off! I think Alysone and I need to bat it back and forth a bit, do some pairing up and ruling out, and see what we're left with. At the moment it's like knitting a multi coloured sweater that's come off the needles - all the bits should join up to make a nice pattern, but maybe we need to rip another bit out before we can pick it up again.
I don't think the answers will come quickly, but the jigsaw pieces you've provided so far will eventually become "the big picture". Alysone and I will confer off the board so as not to hog too much airtime, but significant finds will be reported We need your keen eye to keep us right Jack (and maybe slip in the odd corner piece!)
I've just returned from a lovely holiday, back at work today, but I'm wondering if I should sneak in another couple of days leave to deal with this sea of people.![[drowning]](./images/smilies/drown.gif "[drowning]")
Best wishes
Pinkshoes
I don't think the answers will come quickly, but the jigsaw pieces you've provided so far will eventually become "the big picture". Alysone and I will confer off the board so as not to hog too much airtime, but significant finds will be reported
We need your keen eye to keep us right Jack (and maybe slip in the odd corner piece!)I've just returned from a lovely holiday, back at work today, but I'm wondering if I should sneak in another couple of days leave to deal with this sea of people.
Best wishes
Pinkshoes