McColl of Kilmacolm.....

[Jack]

Hi Sobil,
Nothing of any great import, but you mentioned this family earlier; just so's you can eliminate them.
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JAMES MCCOLL
MARGARET CALDWELL
Marriage: 24 JUL 1840 Kilmacolm, Renfrew, Scotland [LDS submission]
Marriage: 25 JUL 1840 West Or Old Parish, Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland [OPR extract]
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Details from the 1851 West Greenock census show that,
His mother was a Janet (62) born Inchinnan.
James (37) cotton mill carter, born Paisley.
Margaret (31) born Kilmacolm.
All their children born Greenock.
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1881 Census Place: West Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland
Dwelling: Cotton Mill Row
Source: FHL Film 0203570 GRO Ref Volume 564-1 EnumDist 26 Page 13
James MC COLL W 67 M Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Carter (Retired)
Annie MC COLL U 23 F Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: House Keeper
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1881 Census Place: West Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland
Dwelling: 59 Ann St
Source: FHL Film 0203570 GRO Ref Volume 564-1 EnumDist 25 Page 26
Robert MC COLL U 21 M Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Boarder Occ: Carter
[this may be the Robert born 1858]
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Jack

[Sobil]

Thanks Jack,

I think I have to be more methodical. I found a list of what I think are mostly discharge papers for McColls at the Board of Trade. These are the references for one item in their Seaman's Pouch. I believe the IR is my grandfather Ivor Robert McColl (my exceedingly competent mother thinks there was only one IR at Avonmouth). He is listed with 3 Discharge Papers for the period.

I don't know how voluntary getting a ticket was or how long it ran for. It is possible that although John Robert McColl died 1911, his ticket might have expired after his death and he could represented by one of these numbers. The equally illusive Edward James McColl, son of John Robert, also sailed from UK to NZ all the time but there was no E McColl listed. If John Robert did have a ticket, and the BT search is comprehensive, he was registered somewhere in Scotland which might give me a lead to an address and a career history.

I just have to find out who exactly these J and R McColls were without taking out a mortgage!

http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp
Search McColl Dept. BT372
R561461 MCCOLL I R 20/02/1929 AVONMOUTH
R195322 MCCOLL J 04/01/1921 PAISLEY
R208697 MCCOLL J 09/08/1922 GLASGOW
R339745 MCCOLL J G 26/07/1924 GLASGOW
R534176 MCCOLL R J T 26/02/1934 PAISLEY
R570031 MCCOLL R E 23/07/1931 RAMSGATE
R608930 MCCOLL J C 22/01/1938 GLASGOW
R669203 MCCOLL J J 09/02/1941 ABERDEEN
R695909 MCCOLL J M 29/10/1937 GLASGOW
R743191 MCCOLL R S 29/11/1939 GLASGOW
R744479 MCCOLL J 25/04/1942 DUNDEE
R770803 MCCOLL J C 15/10/1937 RENTON
R772650 MCCOLL J 18/03/1946 DUNDEE
R807915 MCCOLL J C 27/11/1948 DUNDEE
R292572 MCCOLL R 08/06/1921 BELFAST
R863132 MCCOLL J 12/04/1947 BONHILL

Ian's hard at the Marriage Certificate..... He made such a fuss he has to come up with something now!

Sobil

[IanS]

Hello Sybil,

The marriage cert was important, it proves your mother did not get Kilmacolm from the marriage info. It also tells you James was dead by that time. So, not taking anything from your mothers info, James would have died sometime between 1853-5 and 1882, and say he was roughly between aged 18 and 60 at time of death. I don't see any deaths for a James M*cC*ll in Kilmacolm. However, doing a search for the same age group for the whole of Scotland gave, I think about 3 -4 pages worth. This does not include searches for M*cCaul and other interpretations of spelling. However this little gem appeared in the results

1879 MCCOLL JAMES M 49 MARINE REGISTER MINOR RECORDS 021/MR 0091

Do you think it might be worth a little look? Sometimes you've got to take a chance.

You will have to send for this, it is not available online. I believe this record will give occupation ,address, from which you could maybe search census for rest of family etc etc. then on to marriage and so on.


Now do you happen to have the death cert of John the one who got married in 1882 in Wales . I really just want to see where your mother got Kilmacolm from.

I will send you the searches I did and it will have the criteria at the top of the page. You can maybe search in similar fashion for deviant spellings. (tomorrow though)

[Sobil]

Ian,

I'm not a brain surgeon or a hypnotist so we just have to accept Mumsie has a blurry memory. I have uploaded JR McColl Death Certificate. This is the only official document with "Robert" on. If you were dating a Welsh girl and your name was John.... is it likely over a few jars of ale in the local tavern she starts calling you John Robert... then in a state of alcoholic inebriation you find yourself at Cardifff Registry office? I've seen Elizabeth's photo. She was scary!

As for deviant names.... we are not deviants...... we're just special...

I digress. The James M 49 sounds good but I've lost the plot on how you got that. I assume that will be in the email then I will give Mumsie clear telephonic instructions for the purchase of said document.

Sobil x

[IanS]

Morning Sobil, Sorry about 'deviant names' I shoud have said 'alternative spellings'

Re- Mums memory, mine's not too hot either sometimes, so I like to be able to see where I got a particular snippet of info from, so that I'm not off on an irrelevant tangent somewhere. Really it's just to make sure that a 'possibly from Kilmacolm' doesn't turn into a 'definately from Kilmacolm'.
If my memory is still as sharp as my mothers (at 76) I'll be well pleased.

P.M. sent with instructions.

Can't see death cert. yet, I'll check back later.

[Sobil]

Cheers Ian

I'll go and check my mail now.

Sobil

[AndrewP]

I have uploaded JR McColl Death Certificate. This is the only official document with "Robert" on.

Now available in the Gallery at:

http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... p?pos=-241

All the best,

Andrew Paterson

[Sobil]

Hi,

Am I being dense?

I can't find an explanation on the SP site for what a "marine register minor record" is.

It's just there was a James McColl 40 M Miner who sailed from Scotland to USA steerage on the SS Anchoria in 1879..... or is this marine register strictly for sailors/merchant navy?

Sobil

[LesleyB]

Hi folks
Just butting in here with a comment about Marine Records. I sent for one a while ago hoping it would clarify a few points:

1919 DICK ANDREW S M 33 MARINE REGISTER MINOR RECORDS 029/MR 0171

but this record wsa of a different format & contained far LESS info than the usual death entry.
content is:
Date of death
Name and addresses of deceased - but the one above only contained a name, no address
Sex
Age
Rank profession or Occupation
Nationality - on this one it says Scotch! (There is along post elsewhere on this very subject)
Last place of abobe - in the above case it was a hospital so not a great help.
Cause of death

There is no column for death informant or parents, so this information is not on the extract - which could be a right nuisance! In this case I know its the right guy, but I have another I just needed that cross ref. on to confirm he was the right one....

Best wishes
Lesley

[Sobil]

Thanks Lesley,

That was very informative on how uninformative they are .

But why is it a marine record? If his last abode was a hospital, did he die at sea or was he a mariner?

Sobil