Help deciphering maiden name?.....

[LesleyB]

David
- check out this one:
http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... p?pos=-268

This is the name we're trying to sort out, Elizabeth's maiden surname....in South Leith! My old friend Mr Archer, the registrar, is responsible for the confusion! He was more around in Leith in the later 1800s as far as I'm aware, so shouldn't be involved in the 51 or 61, thank goodness!

Best wishes
Lesley

[DavidWW]

David
- check out this one:
http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... p?pos=-268

This is the name we're trying to sort out....in South Leith!

Best wishes
Lesley

RARN on one and RAREN on t'other !!

David

[isobelc]

Hi Catbug,

I have found the death of George Ayre (junior). He died in 1921 aged 84, was a Seaman and the widower of Mary Urquart. He married her in 1870 and his parents names on that certificate are George Ayre, Carter and Elizabeth Undecipherable. Good news is that you can read the mother's name on this DC. Bad news is that the informant (his son) has recorded it as Ann McKay, who was actually his stepmother.

The George in the 1856 marriage is George (Senior). He is shown as 37 years old (therefore born around 1814) and a Widower (of Eliz ?). His father is shown quite correctly as Duncan Ayre, but the mother is incorrectly? shown as Elizabeth (should be Barbara?) and her maiden name as 'Ditto' as in 'same as above' ie Ayre (possibly because they didn't know ).

Regards,

Isobel (Edinburgh)

[LesleyB]

Hi David
Yes, thats what we all thought, but there are NO Rarns/Rarens etc on SP - at all. None.

Best wishes
Lesley


notes:
There is a Gilbert Archer, registrar South Leith in my BMDs around 1876-1885 who has reasonable writing.
Then what looks like JWM Archer from 1895 - 98 - he's the problem one! I wonder if he's related to the first Archer?
By 1924 its a Mr. Greenshields is registrar in South Leith who also has reasonable writing.

[LesleyB]

Hi Isobel

George Ayre, Carter and Elizabeth Undecipherable

Its Elizabeth Undecipherable we're interested in. Wife of George the carter.

Best wishes
Lesley

[LesleyB]

Hi Isobel

George Ayre, Carter and Elizabeth Undecipherable

Its Elizabeth Undecipherable we're interested in. Wife of George the carter.

Best wishes
Lesley

[DavidWW]

Hi David
Yes, thats what we all thought, but there are NO Rarns/Rarens etc on SP - at all. None.

Best wishes
Lesley

Now it starts to get really interesting , as you now have to start thinking and imagining what surnames could have been heard thus, - the likely accents often play a major part in this type of situation

David

[LesleyB]

Hi all
I'm losing the place now.

So ...if the George in the 1856 marriage to Ann McKay is the same George we've seen with an Elizabeth in the 1841 and he is a widower of Elizabeth Undescipherable, why is Catbug seeing him as a Widower in the 1861 when he's not long married again? Did his second wife die quite shortly after the marriage? And this means Eliz.Undescipherble died before the December 1856 marriage?? And that 4year old in the 1861 (we need to see this) could be the last child of Eliz. (who died in childbirth?) or a very quick child to Miss McKay??

Head spinnin'
I need a coffee.... s

best wishes
Lesley

[catbug]

Hello everyone!

Thanks so much for all the replies - got quite a shock when I logged on this morning and saw so many .

This one's proving a bit of a conundrum to me - it's not actually Henry that's in my direct line, it's his sister Janet but on her death entry the name of her mother is unknown so I checked her brother's DC as I found his name on the 1861 census as his name is quite unusual (lol at Henry being in jail - wonder what he did?!)l. However also on the 1861 census was the youngest son Charles, who I assumed to have the same mother but after checking the IGI, it says his mother is Janet McKay. I then found the marriage of George to an Ann McKay, who I thought could be Charles' mother under a different first name, but was also confused by the Elizabeth "Ditto" - looks like this wasn't George Snr's wife after all So it also looks like George had a child with another woman (Janet McKay?) whether he married her or not. As you can see by George's DC it says widower of Elizabeth Raren (or whatever it says!) and has no mention of another wife After finding out that information (largely through the help of you kind people) I now think Elizabeth might have died between 1851 and 1855, so her death might not be on SP. She definitely died after 1851 as i have the following from the 1851 census:-

GEORGE/AYRE/HEAD/MAR/33//CARTER/STI/FALKIRK/
ELIAYRE/W/MAR//33//MLN/SOUTH LEITH/
JANET/AYRE/D///12///
GEORGE/AYRE/SON//10////
HENRY/AYRE/SON//8//SCHOLAR//
ELIAYRE/D///5//MLN/SOUTH LEITH/
BARBARA/AYRE/D///3//MLN/SOUTH LEITH/

Even though I can't find Elizabeth's death I did find this on the IGI

ELISABETH RARRAN
Female
20 JUL 1815 South Leith, Midlothian, Scotland
Father: HENRY RARRAN
Mother: JANET LOW

I thought this seemed very likely to be her given the surname, age, place of birth and father's name, although obviously I can't be sure. Doesn't help with finding anything else about her though as there seem to be no Rarrans (various spellings) on SP at all .

I've uploaded the 1861 census if anyone wants to look and will post the link as soon as it gets cleared.

Thanks again everyone for such great help and all your time . I'm actually worried now that I have found the wrong family on the 1861 census! But I checked, double checked and triple checked various spellings and this is the only match I could find.

Thanks,
Cat

[DavidWW]

.....muckle snips ............
Even though I can't find Elizabeth's death I did find this on the IGI

ELISABETH RARRAN
Female
20 JUL 1815 South Leith, Midlothian, Scotland
Father: HENRY RARRAN
Mother: JANET LOW

I thought this seemed very likely to be her given the surname, age, place of birth and father's name, although obviously I can't be sure. Doesn't help with finding anything else about her though as there seem to be no Rarrans (various spellings) on SP at all .

I've uploaded the 1861 census if anyone wants to look and will post the link as soon as it gets cleared.

Thanks again everyone for such great help and all your time . I'm actually worried now that I have found the wrong family on the 1861 census! But I checked, double checked and triple checked various spellings and this is the only match I could find.

Thanks,
Cat

This RARRAN record just has to be linked !!

David