Census Help .....

[nelmit]

Celebrating Christmas well not exactly, Santa must have thought I had been good as I got some presents, but his elves knew better, as I have had a stomach virus since Christmas day, with it hitting with a vengeance in the wee small hours of boxing day. At this stage it will be a dry ne’erday too, it’s no a hanging offence for a Scotsman to have a dry ne’erday is it?

Hope you're feeling better Stew.

Funnily enough it's one of many nights in the year when I deliberately don't drink any alcohol because I am the driver.

Ach but a'll no' git hung 'cos ah'm a Scotswuman

Awra best,
Annette M

[StewL]

Annette

Well that clears up the female side, but I am still not to sure about the male side

Thanks it is getting much better now

[Jack]

Hi Stewie,
If it's a hanging offence for men, then they'd better have plenty of rope...!
But no being weel certainly lets you off - hope you're fit soon

Hi Annette,
"...one of many nights in the year when I deliberately don't drink..."
That might be read as meaning you go oot boozin nearly every other night of the year!
You widnae be fit furra Mitchell if you did - so quite certain you don't!
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And so back to your LAURIEs Stewie; thanks for the BC/DC details.
I still can't find another Daniel, shoemaker for you in the Glasgow area 1851.
One reason i'd asked when he married; if it was after April 1851 then he would still be single on the 1851 census.
Other reason was the 12yr old son James in 1861. So was he born before the August 1850/1851 marriage?
Or was he Janet PORTERFIELD's son prior to meeting Daniel? Can't see a suitable James abt 2yrs in the area 1851 under either name.
There is no married Daniel & Janet together in 1851 Glasgow. Might be elsewhere of course.
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What were all the names of Robert LAURIE & Mary IRVINE's children? Who did they marry?
It's so's i can try to find the family in Glasgow 1841 & 1851.
Do you have details of Robert and/or Mary in the 1861/1871 censuses?
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Sorry for all the questions, just trying to find your Daniel 1851 - can't see Janet PORTERFIELD in Glasgow (or Renfrewshire) either.
But maybe once SP put the All Scotland 1851 index online you'll find them.
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Cheers - Jack

[StewL]

Hello Jack

It is a distinct possibility he was a child of Janet's previous marriage.

According to her 1887 DC she was first married to William May (chimney sweep), but I have found no information on this marriage so far.

At this stage I have no names other than Daniel and William Laurie. I have also just realised that I dont have Roberts DC, so perhaps a search for that is on the cards. I may have previously searched for it on SP, so I will take a look later at that. There is still the odd long lost who I find I havent re-downloaded since my computer crashed a few months ago.
Perhaps a census search for Robert and Mary might help.

[Jack]

Hi Stewie,
Trust you can read this after your celebrating!
Glad you mentioned Janet PORTERFIELD's previous married name, otherwise i might never have found her!
She's as a widow in 1851, so we now know she and Daniel LAURIE married Aug 1851, not 1850.
How sad for wee William to be blind at such a young age.
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1851 cens 644-1 (559) Ed 11 pp 1-2 (College or Balckfriars)
145 New Vennel, Glasgow.
Janet MAY, head, widow, 24, ?veiner? b Johnstone, RFW
William MAY, son, 5, --------- b Glasgow, LKS (blind)
James MAY, son, 3, --------- b Glasgow, LKS
Helen MELROSE, lodger, u/m 34, dressmaker, b Penicuik, Edinburghshire
Mary PATON, lodger, u/m 27, opener of muslin, b Glasgow, LKS
Elizth. PORTERFIELD, u/m 19, dealer in fish, b Glasgow, LKS
Janet KING, u/m 25, dealer in fish, b Johnstone, RFW
[maybe the last 2 birthplaces shd've been tother way about?]
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Before i go any further,
Are you 100% certain that Mary LAURIE (ms IRVINE) who died in 1871 is your Daniel's mother?

Was Daniel's brother William married to Sophia WHINNEL?
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Again sorry for these questions, but i only ask because they are rather important.

Ta - Jack

[StewL]

Thanks once again Jack you're a champion =D>

I am pretty well sure that Mary Irvine is Daniels mother, although the only source of the information is Daniel's DC.
As to his brother Williams wife I have no idea as to who she is.

That information on Janet and the wains from the 1st marriage will be added very soon to the line. Thank you.
I was just thinking, it looks like the family are still carrying on the tradition of taking in waifs and strays Not through remarriage in this generation though

Na nae sair heid, didnt touch a drop, still not over the virus, quietest Hogmanay in Stewie's history, or at least since he was old enough to partake in the singing syrup

[Jack]

Hi Stewie,
Sounds like you've really had the stuffin knocked oot o ye, but i'm sure you'll soon be up and enjoying a belated Ne'erday hauf.
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This 1871 census shows Mary LAWREY [sic] as aged 80 [sic] at the same address as on the 1871 DC of Mary LAURIE aged 64.
Daur Maria was living next door to the William (90) & son? Daniel (25) LAURIE at 132 Gallowgate in 1851.
This is the same address as Mary LAWRIE (64) b Liverpool was at in 1861....

1871 cens 644-3 Ed 51 p 2 (Bridgeton - Calton)
10 Porter Street.
Maria WATSON, mother [sic], widow, 45, boot binder, b Ireland
Mary WATSON, daur, u/m 21, cotton winder, b Glasgow, LKS
Geo. PAYNE, son-in-law, marr, 32, cork cutter, b Ireland
Roseann PAYNE, daur, marr, 20, ------------- b Glasgow, LKS
Mary LAWREY, mother, widow, 80, ----------- b England
Margaret LAWREY, niece, u/m 18, cotton piecer, b Glasgow, LKS
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The next 2 censuses have a William LAURIE & wife Sophia WHINNEL [birthplaces are conflicting - 2nd poss more accurate?]
John LAURIE & Henrietta WATSON were also living at the same address in 1851.

1851 cens 644-1 (567) Ed 1 p 13 (St Andrews)
168 Gallowgate.
William LAURIE, head, marr, 29, boot & shoe maker, emp 5 men, b Glasgow, LKS [sic]
Sophia LAURIE, wife, marr, 27, --- b Glasgow, LKS
William LAURIE, son, 7, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
Sophia LAURIE, daur, 5, ------------b Glasgow, LKS
Robert LAURIE, son, 3, ----------------b Glasgow, LKS
Mariah LAURIE, daur, 7mos, ------------b Glasgow, LKS
Janet PETTIGREW, lodger, widow, 40, muslin sewer, b Glasgow, LKS
Janet HALL, lodger, u/m 18, muslin sewer, b Glasgow, LKS
Helen HALL, lodger, u/m 17, steam loom weaver, cotton, b Glasgow, LKS
&
1861 cens 644-4 Ed 12 p 10 (St Andrews)
29 St Andrews Square.
William LAURIE, head, marr, 38, shoemaker, b Ireland [sic]
Sophia LAURIE, wife, marr, 36, ------------- b Johnstone, RFW
William LAURIE, son, 16, iron turner, b Glasgow, LKS
Robt. LAURIE, son, 13, iron moulders app. b Glasgow, LKS
Mary LAURIE, daur, 10, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
Margaret LAURIE, daur, 7, sholar, b Glasgow, LKS
Daniel LAURIE, son, 5, scholar, b Rhu, DNB
John LAURIE, son, 3, ---------- b Rhu, DNB
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Finding the DCs of Maria WATSON, this William LAURIE, and John LAURIE (who married Henrietta WATSON) may help?
It might be difficult to find Daniel's father Robert's DC if the above family IS his - possibly died pre 1855?

Jack
ps, i think i can now see Maria WATSON in the 1861 census, but indexed with a very wrong age - i'll check it out.

[StewL]

Thanks Jack

Yes it has knocked the stuffing out of me.

I have made a special folder for all your information sent so far and will sit down and take a really proper look at it. (again, as I am easily distracted if you get what I mean )

Sassenachs in the line? oh well it was bound to happen
Heres me thinking I only had a ggrandmother who was born in England to Scottish parents

The funny thing is, when I started this caper (originally as a genogram project for my social work studies). The Lauries were a bit thin on the gound, especially since I was going down the wrong line But I think it was DWW on the old SP who sent me on the right track.
It was just before christmas that I decided it was time to fill in that side of the family a bit, as I had beed distracted by the Stewart line.
But enough of the blether, thanks again Jack it is very much appreciated =D>

Just as an aside, am I correct to assume that your passion and forte is for censuses, you seem a dab hand at it

[Jack]

Hi Stewie,
Long walks in the fresh air will have been out of the question then.... trust you are much improved.
You could never have predicted how an innocent project in your social work studies has taken over so much of your life!
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I'd been wondering where Maria (LAURIE) WATSON, if living, had got to in 1881 - this might be her.
Has she married her daur's father-in-law? Daur Roseann WATSON married a George PAYNE in 1870.
Maria was born abt 1820, and maybe her DC is under PANE / PAYNE too?
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1881 Census Place: Barony, Lanark, Scotland
Dwelling: 680 Duke St Or Glen Place
Source: FHL Film 0203635 GRO Ref Volume 644-2 EnumDist 65 Page 7
George PANE M 83 M Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Cork Cutter
Maria PANE M 66 F Ireland Rel: Wife
Roseann PANE W 29 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Dar In Law Occ: Cottonmill Worker
Alexander SIMPSON U 17 M Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Boarder Occ: Baker
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I have to admit i do like censuses because of the info contained in them - often something new to be learned.
They also help solve many problems, but like BMDs just don't always believe all that they say!
Jack

[CatrionaL]

Hope, you're beginning to feel well again, Stew.

Must say I'm enjoying "listening in" to this interesting conversation between Jack and yourself.

All the best
Catriona