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Jack · Post by **Jack** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 11:04 pm

Hi Stewie,
Up and running again? By that, i mean back to good health....
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Been looking at your May msg abt Daniel. You mention son Robert got married in 1880; with a witness John LAURIE.
At the moment there are a couple of John's to choose from - 2nd looks best.

John, b abt 1829 (married Henrietta Watson) Daniel's possible brother - so he would be Robert's uncle.
John the son of Willliam & Sophia born 1857 Rhu would fit nicely agewise - he'd be Robert's cousin (ie if William IS Daniel's brother).
This census has possibilities for him - but only a guess because he's in the right area.
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1881 Census Place:Barony, Lanark, Scotland
Dwelling: 77 Kirk St
Source: FHL Film 0203643 GRO Ref Volume 644-4 EnumDist 35 Page 20
John LAWRIE M 24 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Smith
Rose LAWRIE M 21 F Edinr, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Wife
Elizabeth LAWRIE 1 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur
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Although it says John b Glasgow (not Rhu), he's living quite near Robert & Isabella who are in Henrietta St (your G-G parents?).
Jack

StewL · Post by **StewL** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 1:37 am

Hello once again Jack

Thankfully the stomach is settling down now, with only a bit of an inconvenience in the mornings

I recall having a word with the lecturer about genograms/family history and jokingly cursing him. He just laughed and said it gets you in doesnt it and thinking a bit too!!!

I have some business to attend to today, and when I get back I am determined to sit down and re-read all the information you have sent.

I have to confess the censuses were not an interest to me, as my first foray into them was fraught with disaster, which probably put the fear of God into me about them

But I have re-thought this and will have another foray into the deep, as a lot of the addresses appear familiar.

wini · Post by **wini** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 10:30 am

Do SP normally "fix up" illegible DC's etc. The one I had, the reply I got was what I got was what they had and more or less too bad.
In the end I decided I didn't need it as I had gone off on the wrong track but I didn't get a credit for it.

wini

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 11:18 am

wini wrote:Do SP normally "fix up" illegible DC's etc. The one I had, the reply I got was what I got was what they had and more or less too bad.
In the end I decided I didn't need it as I had gone off on the wrong track but I didn't get a credit for it.

wini

SP don't do anything in such cases except to pass on the information to GROS.

In every case that I'm aware of GROS then have a look at the situation and send out a more legible photocopy to the customer within days.

Can you please let me have a copy of the reply on 106200.1510@compuserve.com

David

wini · Post by **wini** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 12:00 pm

Sorry David,

As I was going in the wrong direction I have deleted all references to this

wini

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Wed Jan 04, 2006 12:38 pm

wini wrote:Sorry David,

As I was going in the wrong direction I have deleted all references to this

wini

Nae prob, understood.

But if that happens again, please let me know, as what you appear to have experienced is not the correct procedure !!

David

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:18 am

Hi Stewie,
Please tell me your now A1, or at least getting there fast....
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Some censuses, and there are some Poor Law records to get; but i've a fair bit of checking to do.
Daniel LAWRIE (in 1884) - seems he'd a wee fall out with son Robert (Committee wanted him to pay...)
Mary IRVINE (at least 2) - just seemed to plod through life.
Maria LAWRIE (5 so far) - hubby John WATSON left her £80 and a good business in 1855 - she blew it all.
Sophia WHANNEL (William's wife) - poor soul was admitted to Woodilee Asylum in 1876 (d.1879)
(their oldest son William went to NZ abt 1866)

There's still that missing link from your Daniel to Maria, William, and John, though circumstantial evidence is very strong!
Same parents etc, says born 112 Gallowgate on 28 MAY 1824. But never has an address that coincides with the others.
Wondering if he didn't get on with them? Daniel says he has no family (ie siblings) in 1884; but Maria at least was still living (died 12 FEB 1901).
Can't see Daniel not being related, but i'd like a really good tie-in to the others to rest easy.

Mary IRVINE's hubby Robert LAWRIE (says b Ireland) died 1839, so no chance of a DC. Says a shoemaker, but one record says a soldier.
Her parents are given as John IRVINE, shoemaker & ANN McNEIL.
But it seems maybe daur in law Sophia was the one giving the info - she also said Mary was b Ireland, not England.
And her age varies greatly - 40ish in 1841, 66 in 1858, 64 in 1861, 82 in 1867, 80 in 1871, and her death in that year as 64!
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1841 ens 644-1 Ed 111 p 17 (St Andrews)
132 Gallowgate.
// Wm. LOWRIE [sic], 20, shoemaker, b LKS
Sophia LOWRIE 20, -------------- b LKS [sic]
/ Thos. FRAZER, 29, shoemaker j/man, b LKS
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1861 cens 644-1 Ed 37 p 14 (Outer High or St Pauls)
93 High Street.
Maria WATSON, head, widow, 58 [sic], boot binder, b Ireland
Mary WATSON, daur, 10, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
Rosina WATSON, daur, 8, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
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1861 cens 644-2 Ed 125 p 2
The Asylum for the Blind, Glasgow.
24. William MAY, inmate, 14, at school, b Glasgow, LKS
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Jack

StewL · Post by **StewL** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:50 am

Hello Jack

Well I can finally say that I can see the light at the end of the tunnel with this stomach bug, and its no a train

Only a bit of annoyance in the mornings now

Thanks once again for all the information, ma heids fairly birling trying to sort it all out

As I said I have been copying all your posts into a folder, but just a few minutes ago I was thinking I had better get all the posts in together so that I can see what is there

Its funny that you mention a bit of a falling out with Daniel and family, I always got the impression from my late father that there had been a falling out in the family somehere, unfortunately if the family was like him they didnt forgive or forget

I couldn never work out where or which line in the Laurie's but I strongly detected it was there somewhere.
I just rang my sister, and she confirmed what I thought. There was a long standing rift somewhere in the family, in fact the only aunt/uncle of my fathers we ever heard about was my great aunt Annie who emigrated to Aust sometime, She married a Robert Dewar in 1920. She was Robert and Isabellas daughter, my dad's aunt, never heard mention of any of the others.

As to the age differences, that seems to be common in this line Jack.

Will try to get my head around this lot and get back to you

StewL · Post by **StewL** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 1:11 am

Jack
I have just had a thought on William Laurie in the 1851 census with “son” Daniel. If it is the right line then I think it should be “grandson” as Robert Laurie and Mary Irvine were his parents. I have no idea at this stage who Robert Laurie’s parents were. As I cant find a DC for him as yet, the one I purchased from SP was a corrupt image so I have no idea how long it will take to get sorted out. So that I can see if it is him. But if what you said is correct about him dying in 1839 in Ireland, it wont be the right one.

Jack I also have a possible longshot/guess, I have an aunt (last remaining living) whose given name is May, now the rest of the family have names that are recognisable, and I thought this was just a “modern” inclusion as she was born 1931, is it only a remote possibility that her name came from Janet’s first marriage, or do you think this is drawing a very long bow. I know off subject a bit.

I might now to have a look for John, William and Maria’s DC to see if they fit the family.

I have had a look for Maria’s DC with no luck using any surname combination.
I have had a quick search for John and Wullie, and may have narrowed it down to 2 matches for one and six for the other, but I will recheck ages in censuses and try to narrow down a year of birth with a minimum of years + -

I will keep plodding on getting the information sorted oot in the heid, and on paper. Then post back any DC's I can find that fit the line.

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 9:57 am

Hi Stewie,
That's why i checked i hadn't written "son" in error, when it should possibly have been "gr-son" for Daniel in 1851?
At the moment it seems the only explanation; as we know, censuses aren't always correct....
And i'd still like to find this William (abt 80) in 1841, and Mary Irvine in 1851.
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I couldn't really say on your aunt May's name - i take it her BC does say May?
But if it did come from Janet's 1st marriage i'd maybe have expected the name to have been used for someone before 1931 too?
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There's a 1901 death in Dennistoun for a 79yr old Maria PAYNE - but she doesn't seem to have another surname.
(Maria LAWRIE did marry daur Rosann's father-in-law George PAYNE - in 1877. He died 1883)
Maybe the informant didn't know of any other names?
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Jack

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