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Lorna Allison
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Post by Lorna Allison » Sun Feb 18, 2007 7:42 pm

Great of you to take time during your trip to look up that for me Sarah. Hope you have a lovely time. Yes, I did know about Thomas Middlemas in Cheyenne, Laramie, Wyoming and I SO wanted him to be ours, cowboys, lassooing and all that but then I noticed he was employed to distribute Newspapers. I see you have more info on that than I got.

He travelled out on the Caledonia from Glasgow in 1908 when he was 27 and had himself listed as a "painter" with his father an Ironmonger which I think is a mistake as a suitable family for him from Hawick (in the manifest entry it gives his birthplace as Hawick) gives the father's occupation as "Iron Moulder". He was going to Caspar, Wyoming. However, I have my doubts as to whether this family is related to mine as my Middlemas' seem to stick close to agriculture.

That Thomas went out to stay with his brother-in-law and the 1910 Census has him as brother-in-law staying with Robert and Elizabeth Davidson in Cheyenne, Laramie Wyoming and working as Keeper of Large Stock! He certainly turned his hand to anything :P

I notice also that on three "Nativity"entries on the manifest he is described as Scot/English which serves well as a description of the borderers! After all that - I dinnae think he's mine. :(

I would be quite content to know if Margaret Scott had siblings and did Jessie get married and to whom. But I realise that their dates do not fall conveniently with the permitted access to records.

Adam came home to visit a few times. You'd think he would have had the decency to leave a full description of North American family labelled "For the future family historian" :!:

Bye now, hope the in-laws like your family history chat.

Lorna
Researching:

PAUL: Lanarkshire;
TORRANCE: Lanarkshire
CROSGROVE: Ayrshire, Glasgow
ALLISON: Glasgow
PRICE: Monmouthshire
CURZON: Staffs, Monmouthshire
TAIT, HUME, MIDDLEMAS,: Roxburghshire
PRINGLE: Glasgow, Central Belt, Edinburgh

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Post by SarahND » Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:21 pm

Hi Lorna,
I am now ready to pursue your Middlemas family, after having crossed Belgium from the Luxembourg end all the way to Bruges/Brugge, waving madly at Sally (grannysrock) the while, since I don't know what part of Belgium she is in, but I covered most of the area :wink: So, what else does one do having arrived at one's mother-in-law's house but log onto Talking Scot?

Do you have Jessie's 1911 crossing into the U.S.? She was going to visit brother Adam in Buffalo, New York.

But I have some more interesting stuff for you:

Here's something: Did you know Jessie was enumerated twice in 1920? Once at her brother's house and once at her place of employment.
She was a "maid in a private family"

Buffalo, Johnson County, Wyoming
Young, Richard, head, 58, came to U.S. in 1890, born in Scotland, Stockman on a Ranch
Young, Nell, wife, 42, born in Illinois
Middlemas, Jessie, maid, 27, born in Scotland

On the same page is a David Young, 51, born in Scotland, also a stockman. Do the Youngs mean anything to you?

I looked for the Youngs in 1930, just in case Jessie was hanging around the neighbourhood and there is this household three doors down from Richard Young:

Buffalo, Johnson County, Wyoming
Kerr, Kenneth, head, 37, married at age 31, born in Scotland, came in 1911, Wool buyer
___ Jessie, wife, 37, married at age 31, born in Scotland, came in 1914
___ Kenneth H, son, 5, born in Wyoming
___Margaret E, daughter, 3 10/12, born in Wyoming
___ Robert D, son, 10/12, born in Wyoming

The only thing that is off is the year Jessie came to the U.S.-- but not by much.

But this is the good part: below is the death record of Jessie Kerr and guess when her birth date was? (drum roll....) 6 May 1891!!!!!! It's got to be her :D

Social Security Death Index
Name: Jessie Kerr
SSN: 520-54-0127
Last Residence: 82834  Buffalo, Johnson, Wyoming, United States of America
Born: 6 May 1891
Died: Oct 1973
State (Year) SSN issued: Wyoming (1963 )

So now you have the names of 3 of her children to track down. They could very well be still living... It would be worthwhile to look for an obituary in the local newspaper around the time of her death. It would probably give the locations of the surviving children.

All the best,
Sarah

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Post by Lorna Allison » Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:18 pm

Sarah

What a wee stoater you are :P

That's her, that's Jessie. Absolutely the correct birth date, three children and a very Border sounding husband. I am so pleased. So grateful. So just . . . . . and blow me my smilies have stopped working! Thank you very, very much.

As far as her exact date of entry to the US, I just don't know. I am going to send you the manifests I have for the one entry of Adam and Jessie into the US at Detroit. They are not clear and I have never dealt with these things before but they certainly are coming in together and I would say in 1917. Other than that their details are different.

My understanding about Jessie is that after her father's death in July 1913 she took the £30 he left her and went to Canada in 1914. There were only three children left at home and the settlement states that the younger son John Thomas, Mary Jane and Jessie were to get £30 each because they had not received wages for the last several years. Agnes and Adam were abroad and had had their share, two other sisters were married and settled but they got some items of furniture (bed, washstand etc) and Robert the oldest son had the tenancy. Not forgetting that John Thomas also got a framed picture of Gladstone, lucky old toff!

I think that Jessie perhaps went to Agnes in Canada and stayed there for a year or two before meeting up with Adam and going down to Wyoming. I am going to try to post the two manifests to see if you can make head or tail of them.

I am sorry about one thing :oops: (they're working again). I DID know that Jessie appeared twice in the 1920 Census, but didn't mention it because I thought it would just muddy the water.

You folk who are experienced know that everything counts as a lead. Imagine just looking around at the Youngs in 1930 and finding Jessie three houses down the road. I think that is absolutely wonderful. (wanted the glasses of beer there but it is that bit that is not working!).

I see from the 1920 census that Jessie became a US citizen in 1917 and Adam in 1913. Was there a length of time you had to be in US before you could take out citizenship? If there was that would clear up how long she could have stayed in Canada.

Sorry, this is a bit of a ramble. Don't really care about all that, now that I (sorry, YOU) have found Jessie and her family. Could you give me a handle on how to find the name of a possible local newspaper in Buffalo, Wyoming?

Thank you so much Sarah. Hope the Mum-in-Law doesn't mind me taking up your time!

...and by the way, I'll pass on the Chiclets. They were smashing at the time and I don't want to risk spoiling the memory.

Lorna
Researching:

PAUL: Lanarkshire;
TORRANCE: Lanarkshire
CROSGROVE: Ayrshire, Glasgow
ALLISON: Glasgow
PRICE: Monmouthshire
CURZON: Staffs, Monmouthshire
TAIT, HUME, MIDDLEMAS,: Roxburghshire
PRINGLE: Glasgow, Central Belt, Edinburgh

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Post by Lorna Allison » Thu Feb 22, 2007 3:08 pm

I have found Jessie's husband, Kenneth Kerr b. 9 May 1892 in Newmilns, Ayrshire. He emigrated to the States entering in September 1911 and going to stay with his brother Robert Kerr in Philadelphia.

Only one Kenneth Kerr born in Scotland at that time, far as I could see and Robert fits with his second son's name. Not a borderer so they met out there and no, I don't know of any "Young" contacts.

Thanks again Sarah.

Lorna
Researching:

PAUL: Lanarkshire;
TORRANCE: Lanarkshire
CROSGROVE: Ayrshire, Glasgow
ALLISON: Glasgow
PRICE: Monmouthshire
CURZON: Staffs, Monmouthshire
TAIT, HUME, MIDDLEMAS,: Roxburghshire
PRINGLE: Glasgow, Central Belt, Edinburgh

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Post by SarahND » Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:55 pm

Hi Lorna,
In the meantime I left my mother-in-law's, drove back into France, took my brother-in-law out to dinner in Paris, hopped on the plane, and am now, bleary-eyed, back in the land of the chiclets. :shock: If I were you I would toddle (electronically) over to the local library and ask the librarian about getting a copy of the obituary. They may also have a file on the family in their genealogy section. Here is the URL of the Johnson County Library in Buffalo. There is a contact link on the sidebar. Also some interesting stuff to read on the history of the area.

http://www-wsl.state.wy.us/johnson/hist ... ealogy.htm

Usually these local history librarians are very helpful, particularly in the smaller towns.

Good luck :D
Sarah

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1861 census look up for New Monkland

Post by maggie69 » Fri Feb 23, 2007 6:25 pm

Hooray for Sarah finding my Mc Shanes in Ohio. Never would have thought of looking in the US. A big thank you to everyone who helped.

Margaret in snowy Alberta Canada

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1861 census look up for New Monkland

Post by maggie69 » Sun Feb 25, 2007 9:53 pm

Sarah. I have made contact withe Mc Shane descendants in Ohio amd indeed we have a strong connection. Thanks again for your help

I now have another question does anyone have the 1841 or 1851 census for New Monkland to see if Felix was there in those years. Trying to find when he came from Ireland to Scotland.

Thanks

Margaret

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Post by SarahND » Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:36 pm

Hi Margaret,
That is good news :D Glad you made the connection with your "new" rellies.
At first glance, I don't see the family in either 1841 or 1851 in Scotland, so maybe they were still in Ireland at that time. I'll let you know if I track them down though.
All the best,
Sarah

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Re 1861 census look up for New Monkland

Post by Jack » Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:45 pm

Hi Margaret,
I'll try the easy ones - Sarah did all the hard work :D
But alas, i can't see Felix McSHANE in 1851, but future wife Elizabeth McGILL is there.
Can't see the family in Lanarkshire 1841 though,
but as William was born in Ireland around then it seems quite possible that's where they were.
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1851 census 651 (645) Ed 26 p 15 (New Monkland)
62 Aitchison Street.
George McGILL, head, marr, 33, Ironstone miner, b Ireland
Ann McGILL, wife, marr, 25, -----------------------------Ireland
Elizabeth McGILL, daur, 12, Hand Loom Weaver, Cotton, b Airdrie, LKS
William McGILL, son, 10, -----------------------------b Ireland
Hugh McGILL, son, 6, ------------------------------b Airdrie, LKS
George McGILL, son, 3, -------------------------b Airdrie, LKS

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Jack

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Post by SarahND » Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:55 pm

Good one, Jack =D>
I mistakenly was looking for an Elizabeth McGill born in Ireland... ought to look back at my notes!
Regards,
Sarah