Can anyone help trace the couple & children shown below on the 1851 cenus - I have spent hours (and pounds) looking for them. This is them in Cadder in 1841 - the ages of the children are all way out. William and Agnes are both dead (according to children’s marriage certs) by 1856 (William) and 1858 (both). I can find no death certificate for either of them. I have the marriage cert for William and Agnes and birth records for most of the children. Also marriage records, census, children etc for Thomas, Isabella and Joan - but where were they all in 1851 and what happened to William jnr, James, George and Mary.
Cadder 1841
William MacDonald, 40 Clay miner (b. 1799 Leadhills/Crawford)
Agness, 38 (birth not found, but several possiblities - maiden name Hislop - listed as born out of county - probably Dumfries or Ayrshire)
Thomas 16 (born 1825 Wanlockhead)
Esabla 14 The couple had a daughter, Isabella born.1823, Leadhills/Crawford - SP OPRs) but she should have been shown a lot older than this. This could be a 2nd Isabella. Had the first one died or, as she would be 18, was she working away from home? Should the name of this one be Elizabeth or Elspeth? It would be hard to mistake a 14 year old girl for one of 18. I have a marriage for either the first Isabella, or this one , in Sept 1844, Cadder. Infuriatingly, I have her on the 1861 census as age 36 - which could be either girl. Death in 1902 gives age of 77 - again this could be either. No trace of her or her husband on 1851 census. (John & Isabella McKim with son William aged around 2). 1861 census I have them in Old Monkland with several children.
William 12 (born 1826 Carnwath SP OPRs)
James Mc 10 (I have this as 1828 birth - Leadhills/Crawford, SP OPRs, then again the age is way out perhaps, again, the first James has died and the one aged 10 is a second one. Or perhaps this couple just weren’t sure how old their children were!
Johnhop 8 (Joan Hope b. 1834 Leadhills/Crawford - SP OPRs) - could be listed as Jona or Hope or even Jean. (There is a Joan McDonald of the right age - Gorbals 1851 - but I just get a feeling that she’s not the right one. (and no place of birth given grrr!)
George 6 (born Jan 1837 Leadhills/Crawford - SP OPRs )
Marry 10 months (Mary, probably born Cadder - no birth record but surely they would have got this one right!)
It does seem strange that I can’t find any of them in 1851, even the married daughter who had left home. Any help greatly appreciated.
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Grendlsmother
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I know you like a challenge!
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JustJean
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Hmmmm....tough one.....I think this is Isabella and John in 1851 lumped together with an interesting household....
Name: Isabela McKenin
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Crawford, Lanarkshire
Parish Number: 652
Civil parish: Old Monkland
Town: Langlone
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Browns Square
ED: 11
Page: 4 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 10
Line: 11
Roll: CSSCT1851_171
Household Members: Name Age
James Claukly 21
Isabela Hean 15
Thomas McDonald 26
James Mc Heage 23
Wm Mc Heage 25
Agness McKenin 6
Isabela McKenin 25
James McKenin 20
John McKenin 26
Thomas McKenin 2
Thomas McKenin 22
Wm McKenin 2
am still looking for more......
Best wishes
Jean
Name: Isabela McKenin
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Crawford, Lanarkshire
Parish Number: 652
Civil parish: Old Monkland
Town: Langlone
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Browns Square
ED: 11
Page: 4 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 10
Line: 11
Roll: CSSCT1851_171
Household Members: Name Age
James Claukly 21
Isabela Hean 15
Thomas McDonald 26
James Mc Heage 23
Wm Mc Heage 25
Agness McKenin 6
Isabela McKenin 25
James McKenin 20
John McKenin 26
Thomas McKenin 2
Thomas McKenin 22
Wm McKenin 2
am still looking for more......
Best wishes
Jean
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Grendlsmother
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I think you've made a hit there Jean. If you stretch McKim to McKenin (not seen it written like that before), the William age 2 would be right for John & Isabella's son and he was born Old Monkland. All the McKim family are in Old Monkland in 1861 with several more children.
The age for Isabella still doesn't point to whether it's Isabella born 1823 or Esbla born 1827. However, the Thomas McDonald age 26 fits in spot on with her brother and the fact that she thinks she's younger than him points to it being Esbla. (The first Isabella was born before Thomas). I shall have to make the sisters husband-swap on my tree!
Thank you very much for this.
Wonder where the rest of them were?
The age for Isabella still doesn't point to whether it's Isabella born 1823 or Esbla born 1827. However, the Thomas McDonald age 26 fits in spot on with her brother and the fact that she thinks she's younger than him points to it being Esbla. (The first Isabella was born before Thomas). I shall have to make the sisters husband-swap on my tree!
Thank you very much for this.
Wonder where the rest of them were?
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I'm still not finding the rest of them. 
According to ancestry wee William, Thomas, and Agness are all children of Isabella and John. When you view the 1855 BC of their daughter Isabella born in Old Monkland you get a picture of their family. She was their 6th child....they had 3 boys and 1 girl living and 1 girl dec'd when she was born. That means between 1851 census and her 1855 birth John and Isabella had at least another son.
On the 1851 Thomas is most certainly the brother of Isabella. I'm not convinced which Isabella (if there were two!) she is though. On the 1855 BC of her daughter her age is given as 31 but it also says they were married in 1848!
Accuracy is just not their thing!!!
Best wishes
Jean
According to ancestry wee William, Thomas, and Agness are all children of Isabella and John. When you view the 1855 BC of their daughter Isabella born in Old Monkland you get a picture of their family. She was their 6th child....they had 3 boys and 1 girl living and 1 girl dec'd when she was born. That means between 1851 census and her 1855 birth John and Isabella had at least another son. On the 1851 Thomas is most certainly the brother of Isabella. I'm not convinced which Isabella (if there were two!) she is though. On the 1855 BC of her daughter her age is given as 31 but it also says they were married in 1848!
Accuracy is just not their thing!!!
Best wishes
Jean
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Grendlsmother
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Thanks for all your research.
John and Isabella were married in Cadder on 1 Sep 1844 - IGI batch (not submitted) so pretty reliable (so if it was the younger Isabella she would only be 17).
I do have some children for them, and with what you have found the line up must be something like this and taking naming patterns into account.
Agnes 1845 Isabella’s mother (this child not on ‘61 census must have left home or died between 1855 and ‘61)
A girl 1847 (dead by 1851 - named for John‘s mother?
William 1849 Isabella’s father
Thomas 1849 Isabella’s grandfather (this child not on ‘61 census)
James 1853 (John’s father?)
Isabella 1855
Sophia (Isabella’s grandmother) and John born 26.12.1857 (I bet their mum had a miserable Christmas day)
Margaret 1861 (John’s mother?)
All born Old Monkland. (do not know John’s parents, so just hazarding a guess with names. Of course, they could have had names which were common in Isabella’s family.
However, it still the McDonald lot that are proving elusive.
Thanks again.
John and Isabella were married in Cadder on 1 Sep 1844 - IGI batch (not submitted) so pretty reliable (so if it was the younger Isabella she would only be 17).
I do have some children for them, and with what you have found the line up must be something like this and taking naming patterns into account.
Agnes 1845 Isabella’s mother (this child not on ‘61 census must have left home or died between 1855 and ‘61)
A girl 1847 (dead by 1851 - named for John‘s mother?
William 1849 Isabella’s father
Thomas 1849 Isabella’s grandfather (this child not on ‘61 census)
James 1853 (John’s father?)
Isabella 1855
Sophia (Isabella’s grandmother) and John born 26.12.1857 (I bet their mum had a miserable Christmas day)
Margaret 1861 (John’s mother?)
All born Old Monkland. (do not know John’s parents, so just hazarding a guess with names. Of course, they could have had names which were common in Isabella’s family.
However, it still the McDonald lot that are proving elusive.
Thanks again.
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james mcdonald
Hi there
this micht be James in 1871 :
Registration district: Dunfermline Burgh
Civil Parish: Dunfermline Burgh
County: Fife
Address: Beveridgewell
Occupation: Brickmaker
ED: 16
Page: 2
Household schedule number: 10
Roll: CSSCT1871_72
James McDonald abt 1832 Crawford, Lanarkshire Head
Jessie McDonald abt 1835 Kingslton, Argyllshire Wife
William McDonald abt 1857 Calder, Lanarkshire Son *
Isabella McDonald abt 1858 Kilmarnock, Ayrshire Daughter
Agnes McDonald abt 1861 Kilmarnock, Ayrshire Daughter
Malcolm C McDonald abt 1864 Dunfermline, Fifeshire Son
Jessie McDonald abt 1867 Dunfermline, Fifeshire Daughter
James H McDonald abt 1869 Dunfermline, Fifeshire Son
* Probably should be Cadder.
The age is slightly out but we are expecting that perhaps. Names fit well.
A perusal of the IGI would suggest that James' wife is Janet/Jessie Cameron and that the youngest child's full name is James HYSLOP McDonald .
If this is your James, then given his occupation, the following from 1851 may be him and his older brother William ,
James McDonald
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relationship: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Crawford, Lanarkshire
Parish Number: 626
Civil Parish: Cadder
Town: Garnkirk
County: Lanarkshire
Address: No 10
Occupation: Brick Movalder
ED: 9
Page: 24
Household schedule number: 78
Line: 5
Roll: CSSCT1851_150
Household Members: Name Age
Agnes McCathy 24
Thomas McCathy 30
Thomas McCathy 4 Mo
James McDonald 18
Wm McDonald 20
Wm is also a "brick movalder"
Close by is a Hope McDonald - Ancestry says male though
Hope McDonald
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relationship: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Leadhills, Lanark
Parish Number: 626
Civil Parish: Cadder
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Garnkirk House
ED: 5
Page: 15 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 47
Line: 10
Roll: CSSCT1851_150
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret Higgins 26
Margaret Mason 26
Hope McDonald 15
Elizabeth Sprot 23
Harriet Sprot 48
John Sprot 53
Marion Sprot 54
Mark Sprot 52
Lilias Tait 31
Then there is the following marriage from the IGI :
DAVID MOFFATT
Marriages:
Spouse: FONA HOPE MCDONALD Family
Marriage: 23 JUL 1858 Dalmellington, Ayr, Scotland
Here they are in 1861 census:
Hope Moffet
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : David
Gender: Female
Where born: Crawford, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 586
Registration district: Dalmellington
Civil Parish: Dalmellington
County: Ayrshire
Address: 140 Craigmark
ED: 3
Page: 13 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 60
Line: 16
Roll: CSSCT1861_84
Household Members: Name Age
Agness Moffet 1
David Moffet 26
Hope Moffet 25
Can't spot George or Marry anywhere, hope the above is of some use.
Sally
this micht be James in 1871 :
Registration district: Dunfermline Burgh
Civil Parish: Dunfermline Burgh
County: Fife
Address: Beveridgewell
Occupation: Brickmaker
ED: 16
Page: 2
Household schedule number: 10
Roll: CSSCT1871_72
James McDonald abt 1832 Crawford, Lanarkshire Head
Jessie McDonald abt 1835 Kingslton, Argyllshire Wife
William McDonald abt 1857 Calder, Lanarkshire Son *
Isabella McDonald abt 1858 Kilmarnock, Ayrshire Daughter
Agnes McDonald abt 1861 Kilmarnock, Ayrshire Daughter
Malcolm C McDonald abt 1864 Dunfermline, Fifeshire Son
Jessie McDonald abt 1867 Dunfermline, Fifeshire Daughter
James H McDonald abt 1869 Dunfermline, Fifeshire Son
* Probably should be Cadder.
The age is slightly out but we are expecting that perhaps. Names fit well.
A perusal of the IGI would suggest that James' wife is Janet/Jessie Cameron and that the youngest child's full name is James HYSLOP McDonald .
If this is your James, then given his occupation, the following from 1851 may be him and his older brother William ,
James McDonald
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relationship: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Crawford, Lanarkshire
Parish Number: 626
Civil Parish: Cadder
Town: Garnkirk
County: Lanarkshire
Address: No 10
Occupation: Brick Movalder
ED: 9
Page: 24
Household schedule number: 78
Line: 5
Roll: CSSCT1851_150
Household Members: Name Age
Agnes McCathy 24
Thomas McCathy 30
Thomas McCathy 4 Mo
James McDonald 18
Wm McDonald 20
Wm is also a "brick movalder"
Close by is a Hope McDonald - Ancestry says male though
Hope McDonald
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relationship: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Leadhills, Lanark
Parish Number: 626
Civil Parish: Cadder
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Garnkirk House
ED: 5
Page: 15 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 47
Line: 10
Roll: CSSCT1851_150
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret Higgins 26
Margaret Mason 26
Hope McDonald 15
Elizabeth Sprot 23
Harriet Sprot 48
John Sprot 53
Marion Sprot 54
Mark Sprot 52
Lilias Tait 31
Then there is the following marriage from the IGI :
DAVID MOFFATT
Marriages:
Spouse: FONA HOPE MCDONALD Family
Marriage: 23 JUL 1858 Dalmellington, Ayr, Scotland
Here they are in 1861 census:
Hope Moffet
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : David
Gender: Female
Where born: Crawford, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 586
Registration district: Dalmellington
Civil Parish: Dalmellington
County: Ayrshire
Address: 140 Craigmark
ED: 3
Page: 13 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 60
Line: 16
Roll: CSSCT1861_84
Household Members: Name Age
Agness Moffet 1
David Moffet 26
Hope Moffet 25
Can't spot George or Marry anywhere, hope the above is of some use.
Sally
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Thank you so much for this. I must seem so ungrateful, but for some reason your posting has only just come through.
It certainly seems like James and in view of the date of birth for the first child, I could be in luck with a marriage cert. which may help more with finding dates of death for his parents. The child Jessie is obviously named for her mother and Malcolm C must be Malcolm Cameron, probably Jessie's father. All the other children's names fit well - it looks like the classic naming pattern with perhaps just the mothers' names the wrong way round.
The other entries certainly look like James, William and Hope (she was known in the family as Hope - my grandmother could remember her and used to speak of her as Hope McDonald - it was Hope that originally started my search - it was the oldest name I had to go on. I did have her marriage to David Moffat and have been able to trace her and her children from then onwards. I am descended from her daughter Margaret born born June 1861 (she must have just missed the census).
It was 1851 that was proving the brick wall and you have knocked the top off. I wouldn't worry about her being "Male" she is down on the '41 census as John. I know females have been christened John - but I have the OPR of her birth and its definitely Joan Hope.
I also spent a lot of time trying to find a connection with the surname Hope especially as I can find no birth for Agnes Hislop. (There is a birth in Cannonbie, Dumfrieshire for an Agnes of the right age with parents Hope and Hislop. I thought that was her, but her 1855 death cert said she "lived there all her life" and never married.) However, when OPR images came on line, I looked up Joan Hope's entry and found the Minister who christened her was John Hope. So that's where it must have come from. I have searched SP on Hope McDonald as well as other variations of her name: Joan; John; Jona; Jean; Jane; Iona; Fona - I've seen them all.
Sorry to ramble, but I am just so pleased to have something positive. I am going to buy a few credits and check out Jame's marriage on SP. If that is him, then the others are probably the right people.
Thanks again for your help.
It certainly seems like James and in view of the date of birth for the first child, I could be in luck with a marriage cert. which may help more with finding dates of death for his parents. The child Jessie is obviously named for her mother and Malcolm C must be Malcolm Cameron, probably Jessie's father. All the other children's names fit well - it looks like the classic naming pattern with perhaps just the mothers' names the wrong way round.
The other entries certainly look like James, William and Hope (she was known in the family as Hope - my grandmother could remember her and used to speak of her as Hope McDonald - it was Hope that originally started my search - it was the oldest name I had to go on. I did have her marriage to David Moffat and have been able to trace her and her children from then onwards. I am descended from her daughter Margaret born born June 1861 (she must have just missed the census).
It was 1851 that was proving the brick wall and you have knocked the top off. I wouldn't worry about her being "Male" she is down on the '41 census as John. I know females have been christened John - but I have the OPR of her birth and its definitely Joan Hope.
I also spent a lot of time trying to find a connection with the surname Hope especially as I can find no birth for Agnes Hislop. (There is a birth in Cannonbie, Dumfrieshire for an Agnes of the right age with parents Hope and Hislop. I thought that was her, but her 1855 death cert said she "lived there all her life" and never married.) However, when OPR images came on line, I looked up Joan Hope's entry and found the Minister who christened her was John Hope. So that's where it must have come from. I have searched SP on Hope McDonald as well as other variations of her name: Joan; John; Jona; Jean; Jane; Iona; Fona - I've seen them all.
Sorry to ramble, but I am just so pleased to have something positive. I am going to buy a few credits and check out Jame's marriage on SP. If that is him, then the others are probably the right people.
Thanks again for your help.
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JustJean
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Hi again
This could very well be just another ancestry mis-transcription as I haven't veiwed the 1841 Cadder census page.....BUT I was intrigued to note that there is a HOPE family just next door to your McDonalds.....it does make one wonder.......
Best wishes
Jean
James Blair abt 1821 Lanarkshire, Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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Mathew Blair abt 1791 Lanarkshire, Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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Mathew Blair abt 1816 Lanarkshire, Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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Brown Chilsdale abt 1811 Lanarkshire, Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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Mrs Hope abt 1801 Lanarkshire, Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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Charles Hope abt 1830 Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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John Hope abt 1826 Lanarkshire, Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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Margret Hope abt 1831 Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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Thomas Hope abt 1826 Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
View Record Agness McDonald abt 1803 Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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Ezabla McDonald abt 1827 Lanarkshire, Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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George McDonald abt 1835 Lanarkshire, Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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James McDonald abt 1831 Lanarkshire, Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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James McDonald abt 1840 Lanarkshire, Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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John McDonald abt 1814 Lanarkshire, Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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John Hop McDonald abt 1833 Lanarkshire, Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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Marcy McDonald abt 1840 Lanarkshire, Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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Primrose McDonald abt 1816 Lanarkshire, Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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Sophia E McDonald abt 1841 Lanarkshire, Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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Thomas McDonald abt 1825 Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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Thomas McDonald abt 1838 Lanarkshire, Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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Thomas McDonald abt 1838 Lanarkshire, Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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William McDonald abt 1801 Lanarkshire, Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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William McDonald abt 1829 Lanarkshire, Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
This could very well be just another ancestry mis-transcription as I haven't veiwed the 1841 Cadder census page.....BUT I was intrigued to note that there is a HOPE family just next door to your McDonalds.....it does make one wonder.......
Best wishes
Jean
James Blair abt 1821 Lanarkshire, Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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Mathew Blair abt 1791 Lanarkshire, Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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Mathew Blair abt 1816 Lanarkshire, Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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Brown Chilsdale abt 1811 Lanarkshire, Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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Mrs Hope abt 1801 Lanarkshire, Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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Charles Hope abt 1830 Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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John Hope abt 1826 Lanarkshire, Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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Margret Hope abt 1831 Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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Thomas Hope abt 1826 Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
View Record Agness McDonald abt 1803 Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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Ezabla McDonald abt 1827 Lanarkshire, Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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George McDonald abt 1835 Lanarkshire, Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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James McDonald abt 1831 Lanarkshire, Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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James McDonald abt 1840 Lanarkshire, Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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John McDonald abt 1814 Lanarkshire, Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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John Hop McDonald abt 1833 Lanarkshire, Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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Marcy McDonald abt 1840 Lanarkshire, Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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Primrose McDonald abt 1816 Lanarkshire, Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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Sophia E McDonald abt 1841 Lanarkshire, Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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Thomas McDonald abt 1825 Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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Thomas McDonald abt 1838 Lanarkshire, Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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Thomas McDonald abt 1838 Lanarkshire, Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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William McDonald abt 1801 Lanarkshire, Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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William McDonald abt 1829 Lanarkshire, Scotland Cadder Lanarkshire 626
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Grendlsmother
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Hi Jean
Yes, I had spotted the irritatingly named "Mrs Hope" - but can't establish a connection - I'll stick with the Minister, I think, as the most likely. The family were very strong church (or Kirk) goers. The other McDonald family, the other side of Mrs Hope, is that of William senior's brother. I had no trouble tracing them in '51 as they were all in Carsphairn, along with the exceptionally long-lived McDonald grandfather. Its just my particular branch that were the problem.
Well, I have just checked out the James McDonald/Jessie Cameron marriage (1855). It is my man - says parents are both deceased so it doesn't look like I'll find Agnes Hislop's parents. Strangely, the cert. says his birth registered in Crawfordjohn 17 July 1832 - no trace of this in OPRs (SP) although I do have one for 1828. (Could be a replacement child, but seems strange that all William & Agnes's children are way out on ages - they could, of course, all be "replacement" children, but why are none of the replacements registered.
I have now found the 1851 record on SP - I had to look at it after searching so long. A search on Hope M*Donald, Female, 15 Cadder brought up nothing. I then searched on Sprot - nothing. The family is indexed as Spret. Hope McDonald is there, Hope is a bit blurred, but McDonald is clear enough and she is down as female (this is on the original for the Spret household) so I am certain it is her.
Just out of curiousity, I searched again on M*Donald female, 15, Cadder and the only entry to come up was "Cthrine" (sic) - but the reference numbers were way out so I didn't bother looking (and wasting more credits). I have written to SP to ask just how my great great grandmother is indexed.
Thanks for everyone's help - I will post SP's reply.
Trish
Yes, I had spotted the irritatingly named "Mrs Hope" - but can't establish a connection - I'll stick with the Minister, I think, as the most likely. The family were very strong church (or Kirk) goers. The other McDonald family, the other side of Mrs Hope, is that of William senior's brother. I had no trouble tracing them in '51 as they were all in Carsphairn, along with the exceptionally long-lived McDonald grandfather. Its just my particular branch that were the problem.
Well, I have just checked out the James McDonald/Jessie Cameron marriage (1855). It is my man - says parents are both deceased so it doesn't look like I'll find Agnes Hislop's parents. Strangely, the cert. says his birth registered in Crawfordjohn 17 July 1832 - no trace of this in OPRs (SP) although I do have one for 1828. (Could be a replacement child, but seems strange that all William & Agnes's children are way out on ages - they could, of course, all be "replacement" children, but why are none of the replacements registered.
I have now found the 1851 record on SP - I had to look at it after searching so long. A search on Hope M*Donald, Female, 15 Cadder brought up nothing. I then searched on Sprot - nothing. The family is indexed as Spret. Hope McDonald is there, Hope is a bit blurred, but McDonald is clear enough and she is down as female (this is on the original for the Spret household) so I am certain it is her.
Just out of curiousity, I searched again on M*Donald female, 15, Cadder and the only entry to come up was "Cthrine" (sic) - but the reference numbers were way out so I didn't bother looking (and wasting more credits). I have written to SP to ask just how my great great grandmother is indexed.
Thanks for everyone's help - I will post SP's reply.
Trish
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Grendlsmother
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Well, I have had a reply from GROS and it turns out my Hope McDonald is indexed as Robert Donald! - no wonder I couldn't find her.
They have been most helpful and say they will alter the index although it may take a little while. They have also refunded some credits!!
I must say that I have contacted them on a few occasions before and always found them to be helpful - not faceless bureaucracy. They are not tight about refunds either - so don't be put off if you have a problem.
Trish
They have been most helpful and say they will alter the index although it may take a little while. They have also refunded some credits!!
I must say that I have contacted them on a few occasions before and always found them to be helpful - not faceless bureaucracy. They are not tight about refunds either - so don't be put off if you have a problem.
Trish
Main lines: McCormick(mack); Connel; Others: McDonald; McFadzean; Brown; Kerr and many more