1901 James Moir

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 5:24 pm

Having difficulty finding James Moir born Feb 1871 and Catherine born 1872 in 1901
They married in 1893 in Aberdeen. My friend's father was born in 1910 in Renfrewshire.

Names of some of the children were Norman, Gladys, George and John but I haven't a clue when they were born. There was another child Lena (short for ?) died as a baby but I can't find anything on her either.

Searching SP for two names isn't coming up with anything in either area.

Hopefully it's operator error and somebody else will point me in the right direction.

Kind regards,
Annette

speleobat2 · Post by **speleobat2** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 5:50 pm

Annette,

I found this James Moir and family on Ancestry, 1901:

James Moir
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Catherina Am
Gender: Male
Where born: Newhills, Aberdeenshire
Registration Number: 168/2
Registration district: St Machar
Civil Parish: Aberdeen John Knox
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: 37 Powis Pl
Occupation: Stonecutter
ED: 6A
Page: 50 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 269
Line: 22
Roll: CSSCT1901_55
Household Members: Name Age
Annie Bella Moir 1
Catherina Am Moir 37
James Moir 30

This Catherine is shown as older than James, but with the transcriptions, who knows? Also, this James was a stonecutter. Did your friend say what the James she's (he's) looking for did?

Carol

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 7:15 pm

hello Carol,

Thanks a lot for having a look.

I don't think this is them. On the marriage entry he is shown as a labourer. On census records he was born at St Nicholas, Aberdeen and Catherine was born at Old Machar.

Happy New Year

Kind regards,
Annette

Post by **SarahND** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:31 pm

Hi Annette,
This is certainly an intriguing family! I have not found what you were looking for

But started at the beginning hoping it would give me clues. I'm sure you already have all this, but it might help others find the right people. It looks as though his parents never married:

JAMES MOIR OR MC INTYRE
Birth: FEB 1871 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen
Father: James Moir
Mother: Mary Mc Intyre

1871
13 Pork Lane, Aberdeen St Nicholas
James Moir, 24, Head, born Inverness, Aberdeenshire, Labourer In Iron Works Women (

)
Mary McIntyre, 21, born Insch, Aberdeenshire, Servant (Domestic Floyed)
Ann Moir, 2, Daughter, born Abdn, Aberdeenshire
James Moir, 2 Mo, Son, born Abdn, Aberdeenshire

Here's the sister's birth:

ANN MOIR OR MC INTYRE
Birth: 24 DEC1868 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen
Father: Jams Moir
Mother: Mary Mc Intyre

1881
St Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire
Mary Moir, 35, Head, born Aberdeen, Aberdeensh, Fish Dealer
Ann Moir, 12, daughter, born Aberdeen, Aberdeensh, Scholar
James Moir, 9, Son, born Aberdeen, Aberdeensh, Scholar
Jessie, Moir, 6, Daughter, born Aberdeen, Aberdeensh, Scholar

Then the next sister's birth:
JESSIE MOIR MC INTYRE
10 DEC 1873 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen
Mother: Mary Mc Intyre

No sign of anyone in 1891

And yet, James was supposed to have married Catherine in 1893 in Aberdeen. I see that there is a submitted IGI record for their marriage, giving her name as Catherine Munro. Is this her name according to the marriage cert? Can't find her either in 1891... Are they all hiding under some other name?

All the best,
Sarah

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:00 pm

Hi Sarah,

Well if you can't find them there is no hope for me.

I have their marriage extract in 1893 so they were definitely in Aberdeen then. Catherine was illegitimate and she died in Aberdeen age 104. In 1881 she was living with her mother and husband at the same address as when she married.

Dwelling: 11 Crooked Lane
Census Place: Aberdeen St Nicholas, Aberdeen, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203443 GRO Ref Volume 168-1 EnumDist 11 Page 7
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
John ROBERTSON M 41 M Skene, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: General Labourer
Ann ROBERTSON M 40 F Nairn, Nairn, Scotland
Rel: Wife
William L. ROBERTSON 12 M Aberdeen, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Catherine MUNRO 9 F Aberdeen, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Step Daur
Occ: Scholar
Isabella MUNRO 7 F Aberdeen, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Step Daur
Occ: Scholar
Francis S ROBERTSON 5 M Aberdeen, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Williamina J. ROBERTSON 3 F Aberdeen, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Daur
James C. ROBERTSON 1 M Aberdeen, Aberdeen, Scotland

You have the right James in 1871 and 1881.

I talked to my friend last night - she is going back to England tomorrow - she said there was 'something about Belfast' but she didn't know what. They have no Irish connections but I wonder if they went there after they married and then returned to Aberdeen later.

I have traced both families back quite a bit (here is James's g grandfather).

Dwelling: 119 Rosemount Pl
Census Place: Aberdeen Old Machar, Aberdeen, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203449 GRO Ref Volume 168-2 EnumDist 31 Page 10
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
James MOIR W 88 M Inverurie, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Retired Wood Sawyer

My friend was hoping to see how many other siblings her father had apart from the few I mentioned earlier.

Thanks a lot for trying, it looks like this one is going to remain a mystery.

Kind regards,
Annette

I've actually quite enjoyed doing this one especially when I found out that her grandparents moved to Dundee and lived across the road from my husband's g grandparents. I was able to show her a picture of where they lived as my husband's Speed family had a shop next door to them.

http://www.dundeecity.gov.uk/photodb/wc0534.htm

Dwelling: 175 Perth Road
Census Place: Liff & Benvie, Forfar, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203479 GRO Ref Volume 282-1 EnumDist 8 Page 2
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
James MOIR M 55 M Inverurie, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Wood Sawyer
Jessie MOIR M 58 F Inverurie, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Wife
William MOIR U 19 M Old Meldrum, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Oilier Jute Mill
John MOIR 17 M Aberdeen, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Mill Worker
Andrew MC KASKELL 8 M Aberdeen, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Nephew
Occ: Scholar

speleobat2 · Post by **speleobat2** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:45 pm

Hi Annette,

Do you know what Catherine Munro's father's name was or was it missing on the extract? My grandmother was a Munro and her family was from the Newhills, Old Machar areas. Of course, Munro is like Smith when it comes to names of families.

My great grandfather Malcolm Munro was one of 13 children all of whom survived to adulthood. There were several illegitimate offspring in there though I haven't found one name Catherine yet.

Carol

Post by **AndrewP** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:45 pm

Hi Annette,

I think I have tracked James down in 1891, with his mother (enumerated as Aggie rather than Mary).

Aggie McKenzie, head, 40, widow, Insch
James Moir, son, 20, Aberdeen
Jessie Moir, daughter, 17, Aberdeen
Aggie McKenzie, step-daughter, 13, Aberdeen

The address is 210½ Gallowgate, Aberdeen (St Nicholas). I got the McKenzie surname from taking a peek at the 1893 marriage certificate, where James's mother is listed as Mary McKenzie, previously Moir, ms. McIntyre. I wonder if Aggie, the mother, was the enumerator's mistake and she should be Mary. Well, that's my theory.

All the best,

AndrewP

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:57 pm

speleobat2 wrote:Hi Annette,

Do you know what Catherine Munro's father's name was or was it missing on the extract? My grandmother was a Munro and her family was from the Newhills, Old Machar areas. Of course, Munro is like Smith when it comes to names of families. My great grandfather Malcolm Munro was one of 13 children all of whom survived to adulthood. There were several illegitimate offspring in there though I haven't found one name Catherine yet.

Carol

Her father's name was Thomas Mackay. I have a wee romantic theory that they may have been related as Catherine's grandmother's maiden name was McKay.

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 1:09 pm

AndrewP wrote:Hi Annette,

I think I have tracked James down in 1891, with his mother (enumerated as Aggie rather than Mary).

Aggie McKenzie, head, 40, widow, Insch
James Moir, son, 20, Aberdeen
Jessie Moir, daughter, 17, Aberdeen
Aggie McKenzie, step-daughter, 13, Aberdeen

The address is 210½ Gallowgate, Aberdeen (St Nicholas). I got the McKenzie surname from taking a peek at the 1893 marriage certificate, where James's mother is listed as Mary McKenzie, previously Moir, ms. McIntyre. I wonder if Aggie, the mother, was the enumerator's mistake and she should be Mary. Well, that's my theory.

All the best,

AndrewP

That's them Andrew.

Crikey poor Mary a widow again - her first 'husband' was 'accidently suffocated' (no RCE) when he was 34 and her second died before his 40th birthday.

Hope his circumstances were natural.

Kind regards,
Annette

speleobat2 · Post by **speleobat2** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:11 pm

Talk about a tangle of coincidences: My 2x great grandmother on my father's side of the family died in 1855 and was buried in Spital/St. Peter's cemetery. In 1882, her lair site was sold to a John McKay! The Munros didn't know the Clerihews at this point. My grandparents didn't meet until 1900 or after, so this has to be just a coincidence--I think!

I'll keep your McKay-Munro lot in mind when I'm looking around.

Carol