Greenock Question

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:20 pm

Hi all
In 1881, I have the following group, the couple having married 1878, Greenock.

1881 Census
Dwelling: Ladyburn House
Census Place: East Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203571 GRO Ref Volume 564-2 EnumDist 19 Page 13

Bernard MC AULAY M 26 M Ireland
Rel: Head
Occ: Railway Porter
Agnes MC AULAY M 28 F Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Henry MC AULAY 2 M Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland
Rel: Son
Edward MC AULAY 5 m M Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland
Rel: Son
Henry MC AULAY U 18 M Ireland
Rel: Brother
Occ: Shipyard Labourer

There are other Irish famlies living at Ladyburn House, all Railway connected workers, surnames:
Skillen, Leith, Kerr all born Ireland & Anderson, born Renfrew

I know exactly who Bernard is, and his brother Henry, I have the births for the children, Henry & Edward. I just don't know what became of any them....even after an afternoon bashing records at NRH! Bernard is given a mention in his father's will when his father dies in Ireland in 1897, so I'm guessing he was still alive at that point...but where??

After 1881, Bernard, his wife and kids, and indeed his brother, (who is not mentioned in the 1897 will...dead or disgraced??

) appear to vanish off the radar... I'm thinking a move to US or Australia, with US being more likely, but nothing concrete has been found at this point. I'm at the "grasping at straws" stage, where you start muttering under your breath, "Speak to me Bernard, I'm listening...." and I wondered if Ladyburn House was siginificant? Was it a Railway owned property to house workers, or something else? Anyone know of it?

Previous addresses, all Greenock, for the family were:
11 Lyle Street in July 1878
12 Terrace Road in Nov 1878
20 Bearhope Street in 1880

Bernard & Henry his brother were both born in Devenish Parish, Co. Fermanagh, in what is now N.Ireland

Best wishes
Lesley

Post by **Ina** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:31 am

Lesley,

I grew up in Greenock and have never heard of Ladyburn House. There was a Ladyburn buildings. It was a tenement complex. Not a very nice neighbourhood. I believe I may have some photos of the area at home.

I'm at my sons house now but I'll look them out for you when I get home next week.

If they were catholic, they would have gone to St. Mungo's RC Church.

Regards,

Ina

Another thought just occurred to me. You might want to contact the Watt Library. There may be some information on the family in the Greenock Telegraph. The librarian there is very helpful.

Ina

Currie · Post by **Currie** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:01 am

Hello Lesley,

Just a bit of this and that. Let me know if you want any of the newspaper articles.

Glasgow Herald, Thursday, February 14, 1884
George Anderson, 59, residing at Ladyburn House, killed by a train.
Glasgow Herald, Saturday, May 1, 1880;
Death notice, 12 Terrace Rd, Peter Reilly age 84
The Times, Friday, Aug 19, 1921
Murder in Glasgow, McAslin St, Henry McAulay age 70, retired shoemaker

There’s a Bernard McAulay born 1861 left Glasgow in 1903 bound for New York
http://www.findmypast.com/passengerList ... art.action

The Ellis Island site has him as McAuley, Scotch, last resided Motherwell, arrived NY 11 March 1903 on Ethiopia from Glasgow, age 42, married, with 16 year old daughter? Elizabeth, going to Newark NJ and something about a half brother James Martin? living there and mention of a previous arrival 23 years before. A lot of detail, better to look at it yourself http://www.ellisisland.org/

Chicago Daily Tribune (1872-1963); Mar 31, 1960
Brief article about retirement of a Bernard McAuley of Cornelia Ave. He started with Edison Company in 1928 as a patrolman etc. Nothing for Bernard McAulay. Site just closed down for maintenance.

(Probably nothing to do with this but a Bernard McAuley (chief tempter) is a character in a 1980s novel called “The Temptation of Eileen Hughes” by Brian Moore)

A couple of 1830s clues as to location of Ladyburn House
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=ol4 ... J&pg=PA103
and “In a preceding tour he has been conducted to Greenock. Leaving that port, the steamer makes direct for Kempoch point, about 3 miles farther down. The villas on the shore to the left are Rosebank, Seabank, Glenpark, Finnart Ladyburn house, and Bridgend.”
http://cookfmly.rootsweb.ancestry.com/m ... our_4.html
Is this modern address in Pottery Street, a replacement or a restoration
http://www.inver-cld.org.uk/venues/venu ... venueID=21

Hope there’s something useful there.
All the best,
Alan

Post by **Ina** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 1:30 pm

Hi Lesley,

The villa described here in Alan's post sound like one of the villla's on the Esplanade, which is in the West End of Greenock, and very posh.
http://cookfmly.rootsweb.ancestry.com/m ... our_4.html

This site by Pottery Street is the East End of Greenock and is where Ladyburn Buildings is located I don't know if the buildings are still standing or not.
http://www.inver-cld.org.uk/venues/venu ... venueID=21

If my memory serves me right, Ladyburn Buildings was a very large four story building, and I believe may have had only one or two closes leading to the flats there.

Regards,

Ina

Post by **Ina** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 2:42 pm

Hi Alan,

Reading this http://books.google.com.au/books?id=ol4 ... J&pg=PA103 brought back happy memories for me. The Firth of Clyde and the Argyll Mountains are, as far as I'm concerned, one of the best views in all of Scotland.

The Cloch Lighthouse was mentioned in the article. I used to bring my lunch there and sit and watch the beautiful scenery.

Thanks for making the post.

Regards,

Ina

Post by **SarahND** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 11:11 pm

Hi Lesley,
I'm not seeing anything convincing in the U.S. It doesn't help that the earlier passenger lists don't give much information. Hard to know whether the couple of Bernards and Henrys that one sees in the censuses are the right ones.

k Could they have gone back to Ireland?
All the best,
Sarah

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:22 am

Ina
Thanks for the info on the building. I think the one in the "not so good area" is more likely...

Yes, they were Catholic, so St Mungo's records may be worth following up for any later baptisms. Could not see any obvious later kids at GROS, but ran out of time.

Alan
Thanks for doing a "round up". I've done a lot of chasing of these guys before posting, and the ones on the ships always made my heart skip a beat, but I'm pretty sure they are not the right ones. It would be reasonable to think that there would not be that many Henry and Bernards with that surname, so they should not be too difficult to find, but actually, there are rather a lot of them...as many, many searches on SP and an afternoon at GROS illustrated only too clearly...many who almost seem to fit in the census, but you just know in your heart that they are not the right ones.

Sarah
Thanks for looking. Maybe they did go back to Ireland...who knows? Unfortunately, Henry senior, when writing his will, didn't think to say where all his children were actually living at the time....I know one was definately in Scotland in 1897, but he does not think to state this, so the others mentioned could be anywhere. I guess it was blinking obvious to those who needed to know at the time.

It's just us who need the clarification.

Never mind, the 1901 Irish census should be online in the next year or so...

Best wishes
Lesley

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sat May 23, 2009 7:41 pm

I've been revisiting this family recently....and I still have no idea what happened to them after the enumerator called round on the night of 3rd-4th April in 1881

...they just seem to vanish. All my searches for later census data, further births, marriages or deaths,including checking lots of "possibles" at NRH have all turned up a blank.

Agnes Paterson, Bernard's wife b. abt 1850 Greenock does not turn up as an informant on her mother (1855) or father's death (1883) entries or that of her father's second wife's death entry (1886).

If anyone has any inspiration or clues, I'd be very grateful for any pointers.

Post by **Ina** » Sat May 23, 2009 10:05 pm

Hi Lesley,

I'm planning a trip to the Watt library this week. I'll see if there is any info on this family in the Greenock Telegraph archives. I'll also check the census records at he library.

Ina

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sat May 23, 2009 10:55 pm

Hi Ina
That is really kind of you to offer to have a look. Please don't spend too much of your precious research time on them though - I'm sure you have lots of things of your own to look up at the Watt, and the lack of any futher sight of them makes think that this lot have left the county, possibly not long after 1881.

I'll look out the marriage and birth entries of the two kids and email you them, just so you have the original documentation and a fuller picture, just incase that is any help.

Best wishes
Lesley