1851 census

[crayspond]

Hello everyone,

Can anyone help with this extract from the 1851 census?

7 1851 MCFARLANE DUGALD M 35 GOVAN GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 646/00 015/00 041 No Image ORDER

I was given the details from someone with access to ancestry but it was not very clear and i was going to check with SP but there is no image. It says on ancestry that one child and the mother were born in Dore Cotland i think it is wrong.

Thanks
Ailsa

[keewik]

Hello, Ailsa! I've just copied and pasted the following:

Name: Dugald McFarlane
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Relationship: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Dunning, Perth
Parish Number: 646
Civil Parish: Govan
Town: Partick
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Dumbarton Road Bruce Place
Occupation: Saw Sharpener
ED: 9D
Page: 41 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 150
Line: 12
Roll: CSSCT1851_167
Household Members: Name Age
Dugald McFarlane 35
Dugald McFarlane 2
Elisabeth McFarlane 8 Mo
Isabella McFarlane 14
James McFarlane 5
Margaret McFarlane 31
Margaret McFarlane 7
William Wylie 21

The wife, Margaret, and daughter, Isabella, were all born in 'Dore Cotland. Perth'; the other children were born in Partick. William Wylie is a lodger who was born in Kilmarnock and is a teacher.

I've just googled 'dore cotland' and got nothing, so I don't know if it's somewhere from the past or if there's a mistake in the transcription.

[crayspond]

Thanks Keewik for the quick reply - It is the maiden surname of Margaret that i am trying to find along with other information. I thought the SP census would have been more exact with her birthplace.
The James age 5 in the census went on to marry my gg grandmother Jane Dickson. He was born in Partick according to the 1851 census She (Jane) was born in Ireland and they were married in Belfast in 1871 and all their children bar one were born in Ireland. Then they came back between 1880 and 1882, when the last child was born.
I wonder why he went to Ireland - maybe the whole family moved there when he was young. Or he went as an adult.
I of course will keep looking and again thanks for the info.

Ailsa

[Billmalc]

I was given the details from someone with access to ancestry but it was not very clear and i was going to check with SP but there is no image. It says on ancestry that one child and the mother were born in Dore Cotland i think it is wrong.

Hi Ailsa

Looks like the transcriber missed it by one letter. The area in Perth is known as Dove Cote land or Dovecotland or Perth residents might know it better pronounced as Doocotland.
Haven't tried to google it but it might be worth a go.

Regards

Bill

[nelmit]

Hello everyone,

Can anyone help with this extract from the 1851 census?

7 1851 MCFARLANE DUGALD M 35 GOVAN GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 646/00 015/00 041 No Image ORDER

I was given the details from someone with access to ancestry but it was not very clear and i was going to check with SP but there is no image. It says on ancestry that one child and the mother were born in Dore Cotland i think it is wrong.

Thanks
Ailsa

Hi Ailsa,

Her maiden name was Christie.

Here they are in 1841 courtesy of but of course this doesn't help with her place of birth -

Piece: SCT1841/646 Place: Govan -Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 9b
Civil Parish: Partick Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 10 Page: 2
Address: Thomsons Lane

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
MCFARLANE Dougald M 20 Saw Sharper Outside Census County (1841)
CHRYSTIE Margt F 20 Outside Census County (1841)
MCFARLANE Isabella F 4 Outside Census County (1841)
MCGAW Margt F 2m Lanarkshire
LEIGHTON David M 30 Mason Outside Census County (1841)
HOWIE John M 35 Mason Outside Census County (1841)

Here is the marriage -

DOUGALL MACFARLANE
Male Family

Marriages:
Spouse: MARGARET CHRISTIE Family
Marriage: 16 JAN 1837 Perth, Perth, Scotland

Regards,
Annette

[crayspond]

Hi to all at TS,

It was nice to wake up this morning to some messages from TS - thank you.
Bill,
That was a good bit of investigating - Dovecote Land - well done. I live near a village called Woodcote so i can see how it can get misread. I will indeed be googling it.

Annette,
Thanks for the help, I had a look back at my 1861 census searches to see if anything looks familiar but no luck. I think the two names "Dougal or Dugald etc and McFarlane MacFarland etc" make it harder to search. Or else as i had thought maybe they moved to Ireland after the 1851 census.
Maybe someone can advise me on how to search for the family on SP in the 1861 census with the names we have and ages on the 1851 so as not to use a million credits as i seem to be doing at the moment!! not to mention going doolally!

Thanks again,

Ailsa

[crayspond]

Hi,
Done a Google on Dovecoteland and came up with the following on Rootsweb. Someone asked the question where exactly it was. Two replies as follows:

This was an area of Perth which has been greatly redeveloped I am not
exactly sure of it's boundaries but it was adjacent to the railway line
and the Doo'cotland hall was on the opposite side of the road from
Wellshill Cemetery. It did have a number of shops and houses, many of
which were occupied by railway workers. Hope this helps.
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Dovecotland is the area roughly where the Wellshill Cemetery now is, near Feus Road, Longcauseway etc. The Carmelite Friary occupied that position in mediaeval times and I guess the original docecot was probably attached to the friary.
Jeremy Duncan
Local Studies Librarian
A K Bell Library
Perth