Donald/Daniel Mcnicol 1851 census, Anderston/Barony .....

[LesleyB]

Hi
I'd be most grateful if any kind person who has access to the 1851 census index for the above mentioned areas could have a look and see if there is any sign of:

Daniel McNicol (was called Donald at birth)
b. 29 January 1925, Bonhill, Dunbartonshire, so aged around 26yrs old.
Occupation: likely to be mason and maybe also a builder.
Single: he married in Barony Parish in December the following year when his place of residence was given as Anderston. (by 1855 their second child was born - at 114 Dumbarton Road)

Here he is as a teenager with his parents in the 1841:
1841 Bonhill En.Dist 10 page 3
Ruchetmoss
Archibald McNicol age 50, Ag.Lab, no,
Margaret 40, no,
Donald 16 Mason App. Yes,
John 14, Smith App. Yes,
Janat 10, Tearer? Teaser? yes,
Margaret aged 6,
Archibald aged 4

and in the 1861:
Barony Parish, 644/8 en dist 72, page 15
17 Elderslie Street, (Anderston) (9 families at same number)
Daniel Mcnicol H M 36 Mason and Builder, born Dumbartonshire
Susan Davie, Wife, M 33, born Dumbartonshire,
Archibald Mcnicol son aged 5 scholar, born Glasgow,
James Mcnicol aged 4 born Glasgow,
Margaret Mcnicol aged 2 born Glasgow.

I'd be very interested to know who was in the same household in 1851 as I'm also trying to track his sister Janet (aged 10 in the 1841, above) who is still unmarried and living with Daniel's family in the 1871 (and 1881).

I've searched the Dunbartonshire 1851 census index disk and there seems to be no sign of either of them so I'm wondering if they were already in Glasgow by 1851?

Thanks and best wishes
Lesley

[Jack]

Hi Lesley,

I'd a look at some possibles in 1851 Glasgow, but alas none were your Daniel/Donald, nor the Janet i looked at either.

I've one more i couldn't see (Donald McNicol 23) - possibly indexed with wrong no.
I know age isn't quite right, but no harm in trying to find him - even if just for elimination.

Sorry not to have something positive - a bit of a mystery are your McNicols!

Jack

[LesleyB]

Hi Jack
Thank you very much for looking - it is much appreciated.

Yes, they are proving to be a problem, those Mcnicols. The Donald you mention would be worth looking at, but I know there are several Mcnicol families (with no connection that I've sussed yet) who seem to have children with the same names as my lot and there are a whole clan of like-named ones in Argyllshire - I know this 'cos I've seen a LOT of Mcnicol census data and death & marriage entries which are not mine!!

Donald/Daniel has got to be there somewhere in the 1851. I'm hoping that all will become crystal clear once the 1851 can be searched on SP.
...mindyou this hasn't helped a jot with the 1891 and Daniel's son, James McNicol (b.1857, married 1890 to Annie Isabella Dick in Edin. & first child born 1897 Bearsden, he of the mysterious 37 Great Western Road in April 1890...) who I STILL can't find. More details on this elusive family are on another post "disappearing McNicols" in Scottish People section.


Thanks again,
best wishes
Lesley

[Jack]

Hi Lesley,

Some good news for a change - but note spelling!
--
1851 cens 562 (457) Ed 8 p 5 (Eastwood - Auldfield)
Pollok St, Pollokshaws.
Margaret GOVEN, head, widow, 53, winder, b Glasgow, LKS
Jean GOVEN, daur, u/m 19, cotton powerloom weaver, b Eastwood, RFW
Agnes GOVEN, daur, 15, cotton powerloom weaver, b Eastwood, RFW
DANIEL McNICHOL, lodger, u/m 26, mason, b Bonhill, DMB
--
I've McNicol ancestors too (from Islay) and have some name problems with them - an 1857 BC has 3 different names!
GG-GF Petter (Peter) signed his name twice - a fact which was missed by the registrar.

Archibald McNICCOL
informant father,
Petter NICHOLSON
Petter McNICOL

But this gave me the clue in finding his 1850 marriage - it was under Peter Nicholson.
--
Jack

[LesleyB]

Oh brilliant, Jack! Well done

Hmm, maybe I should allow for even more bizarre spellings in the 1891 and all will become clear!


Thank you,
Lesley

...later. Tried the above McNICHOL spelling for James in the 1891 and thought I'd got it...but no....

[Montrose Budie]

You need to learn how to use wildcards.

In this instance I'd search on the surname *NIC*L*

Davie

[LesleyB]

Hi Davie -
I have been using wildcards at strategic points in the middle and end of the name, but didn't think to stick one at the beginning - I'd thought McNicol would at least start with an M! Although at this stage with this family, nothing would surprise me...

... and if Jack's experience of the Mcnicol>Nicolson thing is a possibility then I take your point. None of them have turned up with any hint of Nicholson so far, ....but there's always a first! Thanks for your input.

Best wishes
Lesley

[DavidWW]

Hi Davie -
I have been using wildcards at strategic points in the middle and end of the name, but didn't think to stick one at the beginning - I'd thought McNicol would at least start with an M! Although at this stage with this family, nothing would surprise me...

... and if Jack's experience of the Mcnicol>Nicolson thing is a possibility then I take your point. None of them have turned up with any hint of Nicholson so far, ....but there's always a first! Thanks for your input.

Best wishes
Lesley

Be aware that it's not every database that allows a leading widcard !!

Davie

[pehpi]

I have a Janet McNicol b 16 Jul 1831 b Barr Kilarrow. Her pas are Alexander McNicol and Ann Campbell m 1837 Barr Kilarrow - however, I have not yet come across all the siblings names.
Pearl

[LesleyB]

Hi Pearl
...and welcome to Talking Scot

There are a lot of McNicols in Argyllshire....and most of them seem to have the same first names (or so it seemed to me!) I suspect this may be where my bunch came from originally, way back in the mists of time, or at least before a date when I've managed to trace them.

Looks like your couple had a Mary too - on IGI (extract)
MARY MCNICOL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 30 NOV 1838 Killarrow, Argyll, Scotland
Parents:
Father: ALEXANDER MCNICOL
Mother: ANNE CAMPBELL

Best wishes
Lesley