Bryce family in 1861 possibly in High church .....

[Jack]

Hi Maggie,

I still having my doubts on the Bonhill STEWARTs! This for a few reasons.
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Occupation of father Alexander STEWART on Margaret BRYCE's 1867 DC could be Mill Stone Maker, it's not Printfield Worker anyway.
But occupations can change, or informant hubby John may have got it wrong - not saying he did, just always the possibility.
[it would be best if you could find out how to post it in the TS Gallery for others have a look]

Margaret (22) in 1851 says born GOVAN, but unfortunately the 12yr old Margaret in this 1841 census only has a mother - no father.
NOT saying this IS your Margaret - just a possibility. Finding out what happened to this family may help.
But not at all easy because there are very many STEWARTs with these forenames.
Can't see a suitable match for this family group in 1851 Glasgow census - maybe they are at different addresses.
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1841 cens 646 Ed 15 p 2 (Govan)
Widow STEWART 50
Ann 25
Alexander 15
Margaret 12
John 10
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If 22yr old Margaret BRYCE in Glasgow 1851 with John is definitely "yours", then Margaret can't be the 19yr old Mary in Bonhill 1851 (9yrs in 1841).
In 1841 there is no Margaret with the rest of the family - but if there was one she could, i know, have been elsewhere (seems doubtful though).
Looks like a wait for 1841 to come online - or trawl through the film!

There are quite a few Mary STEWART marriages (1851+) in Dunbartonshire.
Only 2 were in Bonhill, and both were still having children in the 1870s.

Might be worth looking for a Margaret STEWART (ms BUCHANAN) DC in Bonhill area from 1855 onwards - there's a fair chance she was still living then.
Would also be difficult trying to trace what happened to all the "Bonhill" STEWART children - even if they all stayed in Dunbartonshire, far too many of the same name.

Mind, there's always the chance that your Margaret's birth never was recorded, nor siblings (if any) either....

Jack
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ps, just curious, was it 54 Eglinton St where John BRYCE's mother Elizabeth YOUNG died in 1861?

[maggie]

Hello Jack
many thanks for your reply
to answer your p.s first yes the DC gives the address of 54 Eglinton street for Elizabeth Bryce ms Young son John was the informant.

i haven't got a clue how to post anything in the gallery unfortunatly it's way too technical for me but i will have another look at seeing how to do it as it would be a help to know.

jack the penny has dropped about the Margaret and the Mary in the 1851 i am a twit at times .

jack your suggestion to have a look for Margaret Stewart ms Buchanan DC using 1855-1900 there are 7 hits 2 in Perth and 5 in Glasgow one of these i have ruled out as she wasn't born till 1845 of the others one is the widow of Andrew and one is the widow of William and yes you have guessed it there is two with the name Alexander i have got this one
Margaret Stewart widow of Alexander Stewart 11th June 1861 age 67 at


71 Glebe Street Glasgow parents John buchanan farmer deceased & Mary Buchanan ms Black deceased.informant Elizabeth Stewart daughter in law present.
Alexander's occupation is a ---trier/ lantrier??

the other one is Margaret Stewart widow of Alexander Stewart occupation fancy dyer 28th sept 1877 aged 68 parents Malcolm Buchanan calico cloth printer deceased and Margaret buchanan ms Cook william jardine son in law the informant.

well jack maybe your right in thinking that my Margaret's birth wasn't recorded thanks once agin for your help regards maggie

[Jack]

Hi Maggie,

So it seems that John BRYCE was recorded twice in the 1861 census!
Don't you worry about the penny late in dropping - happens very often with me too
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Alas i can't get access to the 1861 census Glasgow street index to look at 71 Glebe St.
Would hope that Margaret STEWART [67] who died there on 11 Jun 1861 is there with her son who married the informant daur-in-law Elizabeth.
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This might be the William JARDINE son-in-law who signed the 1877 DC of the Margaret STEWART [68]. Whereabouts did she die?

WILLIAM JARDINE
MARY STEWART
Marriage: 24 SEP 1858 Bonhill, Dunbarton, Scotland

WILLIAM JARDINE -Birth: 01 JUL 1858 Bonhill, Dunbarton, Scotland
MARGARET JARDINE - Birth: 17 NOV 1866 Eastwood, Renfrew, Scotland
JAMES JARDINE - Birth: 02 APR 1873 Eastwood, Renfrew, Scotland

1881 Census Place: Eastwood, Renfrew, Scotland
Dwelling: Thornliebank
Source: FHL Film 0203568 GRO Ref Volume 562 EnumDist 14 Page 35
Wm. JARDINE M 41 M Alexandria, Dunbarton, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Printfield Warehouseman
Mary JARDINE M 46 F Alexandria, Dunbarton, Scotland Rel: Wife
Wm. JARDINE U 22 M Alexandria, Dunbarton, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Printfield Color Mixer
Margt. JARDINE 14 F Thornliebank, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
James J. JARDINE 8 M Thornliebank, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
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Jack

[maggie]

hello Jack
thankyou for your message and the information
you ask where Margaret Stewart sept 1877 died all it gives is (yet again something that is hard to decipher ) kiornlubauh??Kornluhauh sorry !! registered in the parish of Eastwood in the county of Renfrw.
i will have a look at for the marriage of Mary stewart to william Jardine in a minute .sending the cert direct so you can see it
regards maggie

[Jack]

Hi Maggie,

Could it be Thornliebank? Where the Jardine family were for a number of years.
But i still have my doubts on the Bonhill mob!

Jack

[maggie]

Hello Jack
yes it's thornliebank how do you do it Jack to me that was a k anyhow got the marriage cert for 1858 william age 23
Mary age 25 24thsept 1858 father of Mary alexander stewart dyer& margaret stewart ms Buchanan. So that Alexander stewart was still alive in 1858. so that rules out the 1841 census with the widow Stewart with Ann,Alexander,margaret&John
i take your point about having doubts about the bonhill mob Jack
regards maggie

[StewL]

Hi Maggie and Jack

Cant help with your search, but I can give you a lot of sympathy looking for an Alexander Stewart, I have four of them in a row, from grandfather to ggggrandfather. But not too many siblings for any of them, in fact none at this stage for some.

When I tried a census search on Freecen the system nearly blew a gasket

I dont think our Stewarts are related but who knows
I wish you all the best in your searching Maggie.

[maggie]

Hello Stewie
thankyou for your lovely message and the sympathy is appreciated too!! it's a bit like trying to find a needle in a hay stack .which other name or names have you got connected to your Stewart's so far?then i can keep an eye out when i'm hunting on Scotlandspeople .
good luck with your searches
regards maggie

[Jack]

Hi Maggie,

Some food for thought!

[Occupation of father Alexander STEWART on Margaret BRYCE's 1867 DC could be Mill Stone Maker...]
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1841 cens 644-1 Ed 252 p 5 (St. George in the Fields)
Cambridge Lane.
Alexander STEWART, 53, millstone maker, b LKS
Margaret STEWART, 47, ------- b LKS [surname originally had BUCHANAN - but scored thru and "ditto" Stewart written]
Mary STEWART, 25, --------- b SCT
John STEWART, 20, mason, b SCT
Alexander STEWART, 17, pattern maker apprentice, b SCT
Margaret STEWART, 12, ------- b LKS
Jane STEWART, 10, -------- b LKS
James STEWART, 8, ------ b LKS
Janet STEWART, 4, ------- b LKS
Agnes STEWART, 1, ----- b LKS
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Next is possibly mother Margaret. Son Alexander (with wife) and his sister nearby. No more details as yet.

1851 cens 622 (573) Ed 8 p 23 (Barony - Milton)
Margaret STEWART 55
John STEWART 30
James STEWART 17
Jessie STEWART 14
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1851 cens 622 (573) Ed 8 p 27 (Barony - Milton)
Alexander STEWART 27
Elizabeth STEWART 26
Jane STEWART 20
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Jack

[maggie]

hello Jack
food for thought certainly is an apt title for this little lot !!!
i will have to get my head around this info and get back to you on it otherwise i will only come up with one of my wild ideas.millstone maker certainly does look promising though jack .thankyou ever so much for your help .regards maggie