Bryce family in 1861 possibly in High church .....

[StewL]

Hello Maggie
I wasnt sure how to send you the information on my lot of Stewarts, so I decided to post them here
This is my lot of Stewarts, they are traced back through the marriage and death certificates that I have, so I am pretty sure they are mine.
I dont have any record as yet of them being in Glasgow at this stage.
Although information about the early ones is a bit thin on the ground and I have to admit Alexander and Ellen’s years of birth are purely a guess on my part.

Alexander Stewart – Farm Labourer b. Abt. 1799?
M.
Ellen Higgins – b. Abt. 1799?
Only one known child Alexander Stewart b. Abt. 1819

Alexander Stewart – Pit Bottomer - b. Abt 1819? D. 5 Jan 1886 Roughridge Shotts
M.
Ann Courtney b. Abt 1805? D. 14 Jun 1885 Salsburgh Shotts
Son Alexander was living in Roughridge, Shotts
Only one known child Alexander Stewart b. Abt. 1848.

Alexander Stewart b. Abt 1848 – Ironstone Miner – D. ? Alive after 1902?
M. 31 Oct 1877 Middle District Shotts
Mary Davidson b. 7 Nov 1856 Old Monkland – D. ? After 1902?
Known children:
Charles Stewart ?
Alexander Stewart (Twin) b. 27 Feb 1879 Mid Calder Mid Lothian D. 20 Sep 1958 Clarkston Airdrie.
Thomas Stewart (Twin) b. 27 Feb 1879 Mid Calder Mid Lothian D. ?
Mary Stewart b. Abt. 1883 (I Knew her, she used to switch her hearing aid off when the wains were aboot ). D. around 1960?

Alexander Stewart – Coal Miner – b. 27 Feb Mid Calder, Mid Lothian – D. 10 Sep 1958 Clarkston Airdrie
M. 7 Mar 1902 Airdrie, Lanarkshire
Jane (Jeannie) Barton – 7 Mar 1882 Gartness, Shotts, D. 11 Jul 1960
Children:
Margaret Phillips Stewart 6 Jul 1902 Shotts Monkland D. 1980 Alberta Canada
Mary Stewart – b. 8 Aug 1904 Shotts, D. 28 Mar 1991 Airdrie
Jeannie Barton Stewart b. 20 Dec 1906 Shotts – D. 9 May 1992 Clarkston Airdrie
Annie Stewart – b. 27 Apr 1909 Shotts, Monkland – D. 4 May 1977 Airdrie (N.M.)
Alexander Stewart – b. 24 May 1911, Shotts – D. 31 Jan 1984 Airdrie
William Barton Stewart – b. 22 Jul 1913 Shotts – D. 3 Sep 1990 Airdrie (N.M)
Jessie Valentine Stewart – b. 9 Sep 1915 Shotts – D. 25 Feb 1975 Clarkston
Thomas Davidson Stewart – b. 17 Jan 1920 Airdrie – D. 22 Oct 1997 Airdrie
Agnes Stewart – b. 12 Jul 1923 Airdrie – D. 2 April 1990 Perth Western Australia.

The names I have associated with my Stewarts are:
Higgins
Courtney
Davidson
Downie
Morgan
Barton
Phillips
Where the Valentine comes in with Jessie b. 1915 I have no idea!

[maggie]

Hello Stewie
thanks for your message and the info on your family i will keep an eye out when i search and if i see anything that looks to be likely i will let you know
happy searching!!!
regards maggie

[Jack]

Hi Maggie,

Appears the Torphichen family could be yours after all Should keep you busy for a wee while!
I know you already have the 1841 census - just added to try and make some sense of it all.
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Alexander STEWART was born abt 1788 somewhere in Lanarkshire according to 1841 census.

MARGARET BUCHANNAN - Birth: 08 JUN 1794 New Monkland, Lanark, Scotland
Father: JOHN BUCHANNAN
Mother: MARY BLACK
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ALEXANDER STEWART
MARGARET BUCHANNAN
Marriage: 17 JUL 1814 Shotts, Lanark, Scotland
&
ALEXANDER STEUART
MARGARET BUCHANAN
Marriage: JUL 1814 New Monkland, Lanark, Scotland

MARY STEWART - Christening: 09 NOV 1815 Torphichen, West Lothian, Scotland
WILLIAM CHARLES STEWART - Christening: 26 NOV 1817 Torphichen, West Lothian, Scotland
JOHN STEWART - Christening: 12 FEB 1820 Torphichen, West Lothian, Scotland
MARGARET STEWART - Christening: 11 MAR 1822 Torphichen, West Lothian, Scotland
ALEXANDER STEWART - Christening: 11 JAN 1824 Torphichen, West Lothian, Scotland

So it seems that after moving to Glasgow (firstly Govan), sometime from 1824 - 1829, Alexander & Margaret didn't have any more of their children's births recorded.

I'd guess Margaret b1822 has died young, and "your" Margaret was born abt 1829 in Govan (as per her 1851 census as Margaret BRYCE).
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1841 cens 644-1 Ed 252 p 5 (St. George in the Fields)
Cambridge Lane.
Alexander STEWART, 53, millstone maker, b LKS
Margaret STEWART, 47, ------- b LKS [surname originally had BUCHANAN - but scored thru and "ditto" Stewart written]
Mary STEWART, 25, --------- b SCT
John STEWART, 20, mason, b SCT
Alexander STEWART, 17, pattern maker apprentice, b SCT
Margaret STEWART, 12, ------- b LKS
Jane STEWART, 10, -------- b LKS
James STEWART, 8, ------ b LKS
Janet STEWART, 4, ------- b LKS
Agnes STEWART, 1, ----- b LKS
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1851 cens 622 (573) Ed 8 p 23 (Barony - Milton)
12 Ann St.
Margaret STEWART, head, widow, 55, ------- b Monkland, East Lanarkshire
John STEWART, son, u/m 30, mason, b Torphichen, Linlithgow
James STEWART, son, u/m 17, pattern maker, b Govan, LKS
Jessie STEWART, daur, 14, straw hat maker, b Glasgow, LKS
David GARLAND, son-in-law, widower, 37, mason, b Portugal (British Subject) [who married Mary b1815]
Thomas FERGUSON, lodger, u/m 28, mason, Paisley, RFW

1851 nearby on page 27 is Margaret's son Alexander, wife Elizabeth (informant on Mgts 1861 DC) & daur Jane.
10 Ann St.
Alexander STEWART, head, marr, 27, pattern maker, b Torphichen, Linlithgowshire
Elizabeth STEWART, wife, 26, -------- b Dumbarton, DNB [probably ms ELDER]
Jane STEWART, sister, u/m 20, servant, b Glasgow, LKS
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Next MIGHT be mother Margaret in 1861 with daur-in-law Ann MELVILLE (1856 marriage will need to be checked).
I'll get the census details at one point.

1861 644-1 Ed 84 p 6
Margaret STEWART 66, b Airdrie
Ann 27, b England
Agnes 10, b Glasgow (not sure where Agnes fits in)
Alexander 3, b Paisley
James 1, b Paisley
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JAMES STEWART
ANN MELVILLE
Marriage: 31 DEC 1856 Tradeston, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

ALEXANDER BUCHANAN STEWART - Birth: 03 SEP 1857 Middle Church, Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland [LDS submission]
JAMES MELVILLE STEWART - Birth: 25 APR 1860 Abbey (Paisley), Renfrew, Scotland

1881 Census Place: Govan, Lanark, Scotland
Dwelling: Pollok St
Source: FHL Film 0203682 GRO Ref Volume 644-14 EnumDist 28 Page 1
Annie STEWART W 47 F England Rel: Head
James M. STEWART U 20 M Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Commercial Clerk (Iron Foundry)
Margaret STEWART U 15 F (B S), Greece Rel: Daur Occ: Dressmaker (Apprentice)
Annie STEWART U 14 F (B S), Greece Rel: Daur Occ: Message Girl (Glass & China Shop)
Thomas STEWART 12 M (B S), Greece Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
Jessie E. STEWART 10 F (B S), Greece Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Jeanie B. STEWART 7 F (B S), Greece Rel: Daur
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Jack

[maggie]

hello Jack
WoW!!!! thankyou for the info i really do need to get my head around this little lot i think i will sleep on it and give you my thoughts in the morning .i will check out that marriage in a minute .thankyou sooooo much .regards maggie

[maggie]

Hello Jack
(2nd attempt at this first one went astray for whatever reason)
I checked out the 1856 marriage as you suggested (found in 1857 on sp)

on the 31st day of December in the district of Tradeston
James Stewart age 24 56 William street parish of Barony engine fitter bachelor parents Alexander stewart mason deceased & Margaret stewart ms Buchanan
Ann melville age 23 10 Finneston street Glasgow spinster parents thomas melville ship carpenter & Jean melville ms brodie


1891 census at 141 pollok street Glasgow
Annie M stewart head widow born england
Margaret b stewart daur unm age 26 dressmaker born Greece British subject
AnnieM daur age age 24 unm born Greece
Thomas M son unm age 22 auctioners clerk born Greece
Jessie E daur unm age 20 clerk (general) born Greece
Jane B daur unm age 17 scholar born Greece

Death cert for Ann Stewart
Ann stewart age 62 widow of James Ferguson stewart mechanical engineer
25 th Dec 1894 at 173 pollok street glasgow parents Thomas Melville & Ann ms Brodie
son Thomas was the informant.

That's about as much as i have come up with so far Jack the born in Greece looks very interesting all i can think about that one is possible Army connection?or something to do with ship building?(when i asked my other half why an engineer would be in Greece his rather unhelpfull answer was that engineers are alway's in GREASE )
so i have lots more to work on on this Stewart line
thanks once again for your help regards maggie

[Jack]

Hi Maggie,

You'll be glad to see Margaret BUCHANAN on the 1861 census at 71 Glebe Street with daur-in-law Ann MELVILLE.
Other daur-in-law Elizabeth ELDER (Alexander's wife) was the informant when Margaret died at that address later on in 1861.
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1861 cens 644-1 Ed 84 p 6 (Inner High)
71 Glebe St.
Margaret STEWART, head, widow, 66, ----------- b Airdrie, LKS
Ann STEWART, daur-in-law, marr, 27, ----------- b England
Agnes STEWART, gr-daur, 10, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS [still not too sure who Agnes is]
Alexander STEWART, gr-son, 3, -------- b Paisley, RFW
James STEWART, gr-son, 11mos, ----- b Paisley, RFW
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1861 cens 644-1 Ed 107 p 1 (Barony)
276 Parliamentary Rd.
Alexander STEWART, head, marr, 37, pattern maker, b Blackridge, WLN
Elizabeth STEWART, wife, 37, -------- b Dumbarton, DNB
Margaret STEWART, daur, 8, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
Alexander STEWART, son, 5, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS [an 1855 birth]
David WEBSTER, boarder, u/m 28, engineer railway, b Ceres, FIF
Christina GRAHAM, boarder u/m 23, domestic servant, b Perth, PER
Janet CAIRNS, boarder, boarder, 8mos, --------- b Glasgow, LKS
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Jack
ps, glad hubby's got a sense of humour - Grease indeed!

[maggie]

Hello Jack
thankyou for the information i have had a look at the births for 1855 for Alexander he's not there there was 11 of them so i did a bit of eeny meeny in chosing which to look at but then ended up looking at them all and no he's nowhere to be seen not with parents of Alexander & Elizabeth .maybe he was born on the 31st Dec and will be in the 9 that are listed for Glasgow in the 1856 which gives rise to the Question was it only the 1855 that gives so much info i can't recall.
one entry i did see was for "twins"? that was interesting as if i am reading it correctly and i think i am the poor woman had them 2 day's apart
here's the details of it
Births in the district of Partick
Stewart Alexander male july second 3hr 0m pm father Alexander Stewart
ship carpenter journeyman 44 yrs lanark
marriage 8th sept 1854 Partick
mother Janet Stewart ms Watson n0 1 child 38yrs

Stewart Janet female july 4th 12hr noon parents details as above and the address for the family was Smithies ?land.

it must have been a dreadfull ordeal for the poor woman but both children survived at least until the 16th of July when they where present at the registration.
anyhow thankyou once again Jack it's appreciated
regards maggie

[AndrewP]

maybe he was born on the 31st Dec and will be in the 9 that are listed for Glasgow in the 1856 which gives rise to the Question was it only the 1855 that gives so much info i can't recall.

Yes - only 1855. Certificates from 1856 would be the smaller type with less information.

one entry i did see was for "twins"? that was interesting as if i am reading it correctly and i think i am the poor woman had them 2 day's apart

There was an article in the news today showing a mother sending her 5 year old twins to school for their first day. They were born a month apart. The first was very premature, I think the second was also premature.

It must have been a dreadfull ordeal for the poor woman but both children survived at least until the 16th of July when they where present at the registration

Only the 1855 certificate says anything about children dead or alive. Even the 1855 birth certificate, it tells you of siblings (or half-siblings) dead or alive at that date, but I don't think there is any implication whether the child whose birth is being registered is dead or alive by the date of registration. You would only know when you found the corresponding death certificate.

I have three cases in my research where the death of a child was registered the day before the birth was registered. In all cases, the father was the informant to the registrar. Two of these children lived less than 12 hours; the other survived 12 days but was given no first name.

All the best,

Andrew Paterson

[maggie]

Hello Andrew
i think that was me speaking from a female point of view when i said what an ordeal for the poor mother at least when you go through that a couple of year's apart it might not be soooo bad but again in 2 day's!! no thank you

my interpretation was they where alive on the 16th july going by this
Stewart alexander
(present)
Stewart Janet
(present)

unlike the entry below theirs for Crooks Ann Duncan
(not present)
so i took it that the registrar saw them with his own eyes so to speak
anyhow thankyou for the info about it only being 1855 that you can find more info recorded .
regards maggie

[StewL]

Regarding 1855 BC

I just obtained an 1855 BC yesterday, and all it said was;

Two boys living, two girls dead.

So it gives no more information than that, and another entry on the same page gives similar information.