1911 census

Carolann · Post by **Carolann** » Sat Aug 22, 2009 11:54 am

Hi

When does the 1911 census come out - is it next year or 2011. Its just I cannot trace a Henry Fredrick/Frederick - he is 18 in 1901 census and was a apprentice bricklayer. He was born April 1872 in Greenock and have tried to trace him without any luck - have hit a brick wall.

Carolann

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sat Aug 22, 2009 12:02 pm

Hi Carol
For Scotland I believe the 1911 will be made available after spring in 2011. Normally it would be 2012, the year following the end of the year representing the 100yr closure, but I think as far as I remember that it will start to appear in 2011. I'm sure Andrew will know more precisely!

Best wishes
Lesley

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Sat Aug 22, 2009 2:32 pm

I suspect your Henry might be this chap since there are no births in Scotland of a Harry or anything close in a range of years to include 1884 other than your Henry b. 1882. Then of course the bricklayer occupation also caught my eye.

Name: Harry FREDERICK
Date of departure: 24 May 1907
Port of departure: Glasgow
Passenger destination port: Quebec, Canada
Passenger destination: Quebec, Canada

Date of Birth: 1884 (calculated from age)
Age: 23
Marital status: Single
Sex: Male
Occupation: Bricklayer

Best wishes
Jean

Post by **AndrewP** » Sat Aug 22, 2009 2:56 pm

LesleyB wrote:For Scotland I believe the 1911 will be made available after spring in 2011. Normally it would be 2012, the year following the end of the year representing the 100yr closure, but I think as far as I remember that it will start to appear in 2011. I'm sure Andrew will know more precisely!

According to the following document from the General Register Office for Scotland, Spring 2011 is as precise as it gets just now for the release of the 1911 census.

http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk/files2/f ... let-s1.pdf

All the best,

AndrewP

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Sat Aug 22, 2009 3:00 pm

Now for an extreme imagintion stretch.....possible this might be your Henry in 1911 but only a POSSIBILITY!!

Name: Fredrick
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 28
Birth Date: Apr 1886
Birthplace: Scotland
Relation to Head of House: Roomer
Tribal: Scotch (Scotish)
Province: British Columbia
District: Vancouver
District Number: 12
Sub-District: Vancouver City

The first name is an inital only and the image quality is quite poor so that I'd not hazard a guess. Ancestry has given no first initial or name in their index but there is something written on the original. The fact that this fellow was born Scotland...the fact he is working as a Carptenter and living with others with the same occupation....ie he was engaged in the building trade which might correspond with bricklayer skills (i know a stretch!!)...also the fact that the month of birth is April and your Henry was born in April even though the year of birth is not a match.......all add up to make him a possible contender....

Best wishes
Jean

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Sat Aug 22, 2009 3:16 pm

May as well keep pushing on here....

An immigration to the US record:

Name: Harry Frederick
Arrival Date: Jul 1907
Age: 23
Birth Date: abt 1884
Birth Country: Scotland
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: Scotch (Scotish)

Port of Arrival: Eastport, Idaho, USA

His occupation is stated as bricklayer. His destination is Tochty, BC and his father's name is HARRY who lives in Greenock Scotland. Any chance Charles was ever called Harry????? How much of a limb am I on here

....?????

Since Charles was dead by 1907 I'm wondering if I've led you on a wild goose chase!!!

Just gotta figure out who is HARRY!!!

Best wishes
Jean

Carolann · Post by **Carolann** » Sat Aug 22, 2009 4:00 pm

Thanks Andrew for changing.

Jean

I am wondering if Henry would leave without his original birth certificate as I have the original

I know his uncle Robert and Aunt Margaret went to Ontario in 1880's ( in census) and then they moved to Matriot Michigan -

Regarding his father being called Harry - don't know as his father and grandfather were known as Charles - grandfathther came from Berlin and was married in Greenock on 26/02/1836.

I have asked my mum if she can remember anything of a Henry but she can't - she thought one of the Fredricks went to Swansea (Nellie) and another went to Harrowgate but she is not sure.

I tried to google ship departures for May 1907 to see if it came up with anything but no luck will try again.

Thanks for takinrg the time to look - he is my mystery and keep picking it up and having a look every so often.

Thanks again

Carolann

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 2:12 am

Hi Carol

You mentioned a sibling named Nellie....well....I've got a Harry J. Frederick who reigsters for the WW1 draft in the US in St. Louis MO who claims he was born in Scotland...DOB is 1 April 1881....and his nearest relative is a sister named Nellie Frederick in Greenock Scotland. He is employed as a machinist and his home address is 7019 West Park Ave., St Louis.

Name: Harry J Frederick
City: St Louis
County: St Louis (Independent City)
State: Missouri
Birth Date: 1 Apr 1881
Race: White

A look at the 1920 Census and here he is...
Name: Harry Frederick
Home in 1920: St Louis Ward 24, St Louis (Independent City), Missouri
Age: 35 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Birthplace: Scotland
Relation to Head of House: Boarder
Father's Birth Place: Scotland
Mother's Birth Place: Scotland
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Sex: Male
Year of Immigration: 1906 (I think it says 1906 even though ancestry has it as 1916)
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 240
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George F Buchanan 38
Blanch Buchanan 36
Andre Buchanan 12
Harry Frederick 35
Ruby Moores 28

In 1930 he's still single and now appears as a "guest"....

Name: Harry J Frederick
Home in 1930: St Louis, St Louis (Independent City), Missouri
View Map
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Birthplace: Scotland
Relation to Head of House: Guest
Race: White
Occupation: Painter for the Railroad (not sure what this means!)
Year of Immigration: 1907

Household Members: Name Age
Semon Zuckerman 65
Rose Zuckerman 55
Mary E Corcoran 72
William G Malloy 58
Samuel B Taylor 69
Nanette Taylor 46
August A Webb 53
James Gilmore 50
Joseph E Burns 57
Newton H Hanley 44
Thomas C Moss 51
Harry Pramish 51
Thomas F Burke 74
William McCoy 28
William W Ellis 67
Marcel Barler 33
Daniel R Bulfin 42
Luther T Scott 39
Henry W Horstman 59
William Reno 64
Max Finke 50
Harold Strom 35
Charles Langford 64
Elizabeth W Gibson 76
Margurite K Oehnsted 62
Joseph I Finney 58
August P Coakley 62
Thomas H Smith 61
Fred C Gastorf 62
Hattie Gill Gue 71
Rose May Price 32
Bertha H Erune 58
Thomas B Corpening 69
John J Donnelly 36
Charles T Larkin 51
Harry J Frederick 45
Frank Ostendore 75
William L Reilly 46
Joseph Murphy 79
Harry Watkins 72
Fredrick Deihl 71
Frank M Keller 53
George Robertson 65
Herman Hokamp 61
William Shiehan 50
Peter Modl 71
Richard Conway 58
Samuel Sperio 66
Henry Beyl 55
Thomas Jackson 55

I'm not seeing him in the "old man's draft" for 1942 WW2 so perhaps he was dead by then.

So tell me....do you think he's your Henry????

Best wishes
Jean

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 2:22 am

Just go to this website and scroll down to the bottom of the page and enter Harry Frederick in the search fields and you'll easily find his death in 1948. You'll be able to view the original certificate online for free. Seems the middle initial J stood for Johnston.

http://www.sos.mo.gov/archives/resource ... tificates/

Needless to say I'm convinced he is your Henry.

Best wishes
Jean

ninatoo · Post by **ninatoo** » Sun Aug 23, 2009 11:18 am

Carolann, you have the original old falling to bits document?

He may well thought the original lost, and so may have gotten proof of birth from the GRO to travel with.

Nina