help please 1901 census

[crayspond]

Hi everyone,

I am looking at my husband's family tree - in particular his grandfather Peter Reynolds. Peter was born 17/06/1881 120 Thistle Street Gorbals. Parents Francis Reynolds and Margaret McCartney. I have their marriage cert 4/4/1879 Church Place Kelvin Glasgow.
I was looking for Peter on the census returns and have just missed him on the 1881 census as he was born that year - the parents are there with Hannah age 17m living in 120 Thistle St Glasgow. On the 1891 census i find them in 60 Rose St Hutchesontown with the following
Francis head 33 Railway porter
Mary? wife (is this short for Margaret) 33
Hannah 11
Peter 9
Francis 7
Caroline 5
Margaret 5 months

Charles brother 38 carrier's porter (take it brother of Francis above)
Bridget sister in law 33
James nephew 12
Susan daug 9
Annie daug 1

On the 1901 census i have 3 Francis Reynolds

1 1901 REYNOLDS FRANCIS M 1 BLANTYRE /LANARK 624/00 007/00 004
2 1901 REYNOLDS FRANCIS M 17 DENNISTOUN GLASGOW/LANARK 644/03 004/03 028
3 1901 REYNOLDS FRANCIS M 54 DENNISTOUN GLASGOW/LANARK 644/03 004/03 028

None really fit the bill as he would be 43 years old - the 17 year old could be his nephew but i can't really look at that at the moment.
Also on the 1901 census i have 3 Peter Reynolds

REYNOLDS PETER M 21 CAMBUSLANG GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 627/00 014/00 050
2 1901 REYNOLDS PETER M 16 TRADESTON GLASGOW/LANARK 644/13 013/13 033
3 1901 REYNOLDS PETER M 15 AIRDRIE OR NEW MONKLAND /LANARK 651/00 024/00 020

I used my 5 credits for the Cambuslang Peter as the family eventually settled in Wishaw and i thought it would be him but this Peter is the son of a Robert Reynolds with a family of miners.
I tried the 1901 census again and looked for Hannah Reynolds - she appears in 174 Govan St Hutchesontown age 21 Gut worker ? but unfortunately for me she is on the top of the page with a line underneath - obviously carried over from the previous page.
Could someone kindly look at the previous page for me ? i would be grateful . Could the 15 or 16 year old Peter be an error about his age? if not where is he ? he married his first wife Agnes Molloy or Malloy in 1902 (again i missed the census) he may be living with her.
I would appreciate any help with the census search.
Thanks for reading this i know it's a bit complicated.
Regards
Ailsa

[speleobat2]

Hi Ailsa,

Here's Hannah living with an aunt and uncle. Susan is also listed as a niece.

1901 Scotland Census 1901 Scotland Census
Name: Patrick O Connor
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Catherine
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 644/11
Registration district: Hutchesontown
Civil parish: Glasgow Hutchesontown
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 174 Govan St
Occupation: Blacksmith Hammerman
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 116
Line: 19
Roll: CSSCT1901_307
Household Members: Name Age
Patrick O Connor 36
Catherine O Connor 30
Mary O Connor 12
Elizabeth O Connor 20
Catherine O Connor 8
John O Connor 6
Susan Reynolds 18
Hannah Reynolds 27




Source Citation: Parish: Glasgow Hutchesontown; ED: 4; Page: 19; Line: 19; Roll CSSCT1901_307; Year: 1901.


Carol

[speleobat2]

Hi again,

On the 1901 census, Francis Jr. is with his parents Frank and Maggie Reynolds in Glasgow Port Dundas.

None of the Peter's you listed have the correct parents and I can't see one in Scotland who does, but there is this Peter Reynolds born in Scotland on the 1901 England census:

1901 England Census 1901 England Census
Name: Peter Reynolds
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Soldier
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland

Civil parish: Milton
Ecclesiastical parish: Denton St Mary, St Paul and St Peter
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Gravesend
Sub-registration district: Gravesend
ED, institution, or vessel: Milton Barracks
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members: Name Age


There is a long list of others living there, but no Molloy that I saw. Do you have Peter's marriage certificate?

Carol

[AndrewP]

On the 1901 census i have 3 Francis Reynolds

1 1901 REYNOLDS FRANCIS M 1 BLANTYRE /LANARK 624/00 007/00 004
2 1901 REYNOLDS FRANCIS M 17 DENNISTOUN GLASGOW/LANARK 644/03 004/03 028
3 1901 REYNOLDS FRANCIS M 54 DENNISTOUN GLASGOW/LANARK 644/03 004/03 028

None really fit the bill as he would be 43 years old - the 17 year old could be his nephew but i can't really look at that at the moment.

Hi Ailsa,

None of these that you have listed are the family you have listed in your message above. Instead, your family can be found in 1901 as Frank (age 42) and Maggie (age 42) and three of their children - including Francis (16) in St Rollox, Glasgow. I see no obvious choices for Peter (or Patrick as a possibility) from the list of 8 results that I got for P*t*r* R*n*ld* age 16 to 22 in 1901 - he wasn't in his parents' household.

All the best,

AndrewP

[crayspond]

Hi All,
Thanks for all the help.

Carol,
It is definitely Hannah and Susan Reynolds living with the O'Connors - Catherine is maybe a sister of Margaret Reynolds. Hannah is only 21or 22 as she is 17 months old in 1881.
I do have the marriage cert of Peter Reynolds and Agnes Malloy - i have just printed it off . They married 31/12/1902 at St Francis church Glasgow - they lived at 76 Brown St Hutchesontown Glasgow. He was a Carter and she was a cotton millworker. Could he be living with the Malloys ? Can you have a look at them - her father was Patrick and mother Ellen Malloy although Patrick was deceased by the marriage date of 1902.
Then again he may have been a soldier as the last sighting of him is in 1891 when he was 9 on the census.

Andrew P,
Thanks for finding Frank and Maggie (never thought to look for a Frank - ). As he got married in 1902 he had to be in Glasgow somewhere then but where was he on census night - another mystery!

Thanks again ,

Ailsa

[speleobat2]

This may be a coincidence, but here's a Patrick Reynolds, born 1884 living at 60 Rose St., Hutchesontown in 1901, the same address as Peter in 1891:


1901 Scotland Census 1901 Scotland Census
Name: Patrick Reynolds
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relationship: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Lanark, GlasgowGlasgow
Registration Number: 644/11
Registration district: Hutchesontown
Civil parish: Glasgow Hutchesontown
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 60 Rose St
Occupation: Boilermaker
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 129
Line: 10
Roll: CSSCT1901_307
Household Members: Name Age
Annie Eaglesham 29
George Eaglesham 13
Sarah Eaglesham 3
Agnes Randall 37
Patrick Reynolds 17
Thos McGregor 17


Carol

[crayspond]

Carol,
How odd - on the 1891 census the whole family are there in 60 Rose St - no Patrick Reynolds but Peter age 9 - I wonder if it could be a transcribe mistake ?
Regards
Ailsa

[speleobat2]

May be Patrick was his middle name?

Here's Agnes I think in 1901 at 88 Rose St. :

1901 Scotland Census 1901 Scotland Census
Name: Agnes Molloy
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relationship: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: GlasgowGlasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 644/11
Registration district: Hutchesontown
Civil parish: Glasgow Hutchesontown
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 88 Rose Str
Occupation: Calico Factory Worker
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 180
Line: 10
Roll: CSSCT1901_307
Household Members: Name Age
Denis McKay 49
Mary McKay 32
Denis McKay 2
Thomas McKay 3
Charles McKay 1
Joseph Lipsett 16
Agnes Molloy 18




Carol

[speleobat2]

Forgot this: Patrick and Helen Malloy and Agnes and siblings are at 57 Thistle St. in 1891 so the families probably knew each other for a while.

Carol

[crayspond]

Carol,

There were so many of them it gets confusing Peter's father Francis had a brother Patrick (i have them on the 1871 census in Malta St) so it could be Patrick is a cousin of Peter.
Good info on Agnes Malloy - her mother's name is Ellen Malloy m.s McKay so she must have been staying with her mother's family. I only say Malloy because it is spelled like this on all the certs.
Still none the wiser re Peter Reynolds !

Thanks again


Ailsa