census addresses

[fang12]

I have many questions but will start with one I have been obsessed with finding out lately. My grandmother told me she had grown up in a castle that had been divided into apartments with three famililies living on each floor. Her mother rented the orchard and kept a few farm animals. Across a burn which had been dammed was a dye factory. Sure enough in both the 1891 & 1901 census my grandmother's family is listed as living at "old castle", Dalmiur parish of Old Kilpatrick and police borough of Clydesbank. I have scoured the internet for any building that may match this address but with no luck. I know there is a castle street in that area but on a site that gave background on street names it refered to a Bishop's house in ancient times not a 19th century castle.Does anyone have any ideas where else to look?

[joette]

I thought it might be this http://www.theglasgowstory.com/image.php?inum=TGSB00303... but think not.
There were several large houses in the area.
Castle Square & Street were badly bombed in the Blitz in 1941.They have been demolished in the past few years & new houses being built.
MMm not sure but I will ask a lady(my Mum) who might.My Father was born about two streets away from Castle St.
The Glasgow Story contains the Clydebank Story which may give you some clues.
Oh & Welcome to TalkingScot Fang!

Jeannette
(proud to say born & raised in Dalmuir)!

[nelmit]

If you have viewed the SP image of the census records you will be able to view the header page for free. This shows the route of the enumerator. I'm not seeing anything obvious at the moment on an old map of Dalmuir but hopefully the info on the header page will help.

I suspect the burn could be Duntocher Burn from the old map.

Regards,
Annette

[fang12]

Thanks so much for the welcome and the replies! I have looked up the header on the census and the title is Registration District 501 and Enumeration District 27. Is there a site that translates this geographically? I have done the google map crawl of Dalmiur and Clydesbank realizing most of the buildings must be post WW2 but I had got lucky finding a picture (circa 1890) of the house my Gran was born in(Thanks to the wonderful Bonhill site) despite it having been torn down in the sixties. I was niave enought to think if someone took the time to make a record of a cottage surely someone would have done the same for a castle . Then I started searching and realized castles were awful common and it was probably no big deal. Especially if it wasn't overly attractive. Oh well, haven't given up hope yet. I did think the burn was likely Duntocher but have only been able to find mills not factories that used it. I thought the dye factory could belong to Reid's but have had no luck from that angle either. Again any help is greatly appreciated!

[AndrewP]

Can you list the street names here, and someone who knows the area (as it was?) may be able to help.

All the best,

AndrewP

[Currie]

ScotlandsPlaces has something about an old stone hammer that “was found in the ruins of the old Dalmuir Castle in April 1907.” There are map co-ordinates. http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/searc ... S&id=43278

If you click the “plot result on map” button, and zoom in, it will take you to Castle Street.

Here it is now, but no castles, unfortunately. http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=55.91119 ... &t=h&hl=en

Alan

[joette]

My Mum says there was a Dye works near to Castle Square in Dalmuir -long before her time.She thought the building sounded like a tenement(I agreed) but as the ones in Castle Square were not erected until around 1910 there must have been some structure there before it.She has never heard of any old castles in Dalmuir.
She suggested the Archivist at Clydebank or Dumbarton Library as sources who have helped her & myself in the past.
I know this area so well -the Canal there is the one from which my Daddy was rescued from drowning aged 2 by the family Airdale who had followed a hitherto non-walking Dad from their house in Kitchener St.
Most of the names around there-Kitchener ,Roberts are names of WW1/Boer War Generals so the houses would not pre-date 1898 when Kitchener first came to public attention & ditto Roberts.
Duntocher was more Mills /bakeries/distillers although Auchentoshan Distillery is at the top of Mountblow Road which Dalmuir claims as it's own.
http://www.west-dunbarton.gov.uk/arts-c ... clydebank/ Here's the link for Clydebank Libraries-I will be in Dalmuir in about ten days & happy to take photos of what's there now.There are still some of the tenements around.

[fang12]

Thankyou for your help! I would never have thought of the library. I had considered contacting some department of the city government to do with archives but this will be much quicker. On another track, are there any birth,death or marriage registrations for Northern Ireland on line? I belong to ancestry.ca and get no responses for that country.
Researching surnames: Caldwell, Forrest, King,Purdie,Stewart in Scotland and Ireland

[LesleyB]

Hi fang12

Thanks so much for the welcome and the replies! I have looked up the header on the census and the title is Registration District 501 and Enumeration District 27

From what you have written, it does not sound like you have seen the header page. It is a separate page. It lists the route the enumerator took, giving street names and etc. in the order that they were recorded in that Enumeration District. You can view the header page on the Scotlands People site. If you have already spent credits to view the census page, to view the header page is free.

The header pages can be very useful in helping to establish where a mentioned building or street was as the streets or places listed as being either side of it can give a good indication of whereabouts.

Best wishes
Lesley

[fang12]

Thankyou Leslie! I didn't realize there was a second page. The census was taken in the village of Dalmiur"that lies between Boghuhausen ( that probably is not right as it sounds german but that is what it looks like)Burn on the east and the Dalmiur Burn on the west, all on the south side of the Glasgow & Dumbarton Road as far as the Canal bridge bounded on the south by the River Clyde comprising Gladstone Place, Shaftesbury Place,Cooperative Building, Union Place, Cotsford Place, CR Station House and then both sides of Glasgow & Dumbarton Road including Crescent Place,Crescent, Swindon Street & Place,Bairds Laird(?), Clyde (?)foremans houses, Houses at shore,Old Castle, Thatch Row, Old Store & ending at Duntocher Burn bounded on the north by the Glasgow & Helensburgh railway and by the river Clyde on the south" I have been trying to put these names on a 1903 map using the present day google search to compare but I keep going around in circles. I thought the names of the burns would be a cinch but they are not clearly marked. Again any help deciphering these boundaries is greatly appreciated!