Daniel McNaughton Rules OK .....

[Davie]

I am doing research into Daniel McNaughton, he of the famous insanity trial which resulted in the McNaughton Rules.
The Family were from the Gorbals in Glasgow, and were wood turners.
I Cannot find him on the 1841 census or his family on the 1851 for Glasgow.
In 1841 Daniel would have been about 27.
Although he was illegitimate, he appears to have taken to using the McNaughton name early in life.
He was incarcerated in 1843 at Bethlam Lunatic Asylum, for shooting the Prime Minister Sir Robert Peel’s secretary, Edward Drummond.
His Father was also Daniel and he died in 1857 at Lochgilphead.

Any help would be appreciated.
Awrabest
Davie

[Jack]

Hi Davie,

Like yourself, i can't see a Daniel "McNAUGHTON" in Glasgow 1841 - there are Davids, Duncans, and a few McNAUGHTs etc too.

What name was Daniel born with?
Was he married, wife's name & age, children, names & ages?
Or if not - father's age, mother's name & age, any possible siblings, names & ages?

Sorry for all the questions! - Jack

ps - was everyone in the family born in Glasgow?

[Davie]

Hi Jack,
Thanks for looking.
I had a butchers in the Mitchell myself but could see nothing.
I have no idea what name he was born with, but all his Father's other children (McNaughton) were born in the Gorbals.
Agnes, Janet, Neil, Thomas, Mary, Isabella, Marion, John,
I know he travelled to London a fair bit.
As his father, also Daniel (born in the Gorbals 1780), was still living in 1851, I thought he may be on the census in Glasgow.
Or as he died in Argyle he may have been on one the 1851 parishes in that County.

Awrabest
Davie.

[Jack]

Hi Davie,

What was the mother's name?
Was son Daniel married?
Do you know when the children were born? Did they marry?

Just in case he's with one of his siblings, and not his parents.

Jack

[AndrewP]

Hi Davie,

Lochgilphead was never a parish in the pre-1855 system. It was created as a "new" registration district in 1855. If you are seeking 1841 or 1851 censuses for there, you should be looking at Glassary Parish. That is of course assuming he was in Lochgilphead at that time.

All the best,

Andrew Paterson

[Davie]

Hi Guys,Thanks again.
Jack: I have no idea who Daniel's mother was, but his Father told the lawyers, that he was his illigitimate son.
The fact at the time of Daniel's arrest in 1843, he had two five pound notes and a bankers draft for £750 in his possesion, he was not a poor man.
Daniel never married and I would assume he was born circa 1814, as he was 29 at the time of his trial.
As I am new onto this board I am not quite sure what sites I can and cannot put on here to pass on relevant information, as I got "a slap oan the wrist" for telling people about Scotland's most important auction of the year.
But here is a bit on Daniel from the BBC:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A304228

AndrewP: I could not have told you that Lochgilphead was in Glassary Parish pre 1855.
I know the area well.
What about Ardishaig, was it in Glassary?
I have come across this problem on my searches before.
Can you put me to a site that gives this information on Argyle.
Ah willnie gie ye grief oan ma Paterson searches.
Awrabest
Davie

[AndrewP]

I could not have told you that Lochgilphead was in Glassary Parish pre 1855. I know the area well. What about Ardishaig, was it in Glassary?

Ardrishaig seems to have been in South Knapdale according to the Statistical Accounts for Scotland (c1845).

http://stat-acc-scot.edina.ac.uk <-- wrong - see my reply below

Ah willnie gie ye grief oan ma Paterson searches.

My Patersons were traced at their earliest in Mid Calder in 1779. They moved around the parishes of the east part of West Lothian, and the west part of Midlothian through the years. Most of them were farm labourers and seem to have moved along wherever the work was. My immediate Paterson line has been in Edinburgh since 1900, or thereabouts.

All the best,

Andrew Paterson

[Merlot]

Sorry but a true Glaswegian would say
VAMBO RULES O.K.
Merlot

[Davie]

Greetin's AndrewP,
Could not get that site to come up,
However, as wee aside re-mid calder.
There is a famous tale in oor faimily.
When, Hugh Dowie, a shale miner, (who wisnae in mid calder?) or dealin' wey parrafin, came through on the train to Glasgow to visit my Grannie.
When arriving in Glasgow Central station, asked the first person he saw asked "Dae ye know whaar Annie McNaughtan lives"
I have my Faither, Gavin Paterson McNaughton born in 1905 in the Calton, on video,(now put onto DVd) relating this tale from North Bay, in Ontario.
"Shooie wiz right country, wan drink an' he wiz gabbin"
Jist thocht ah wid pass that oan.

[AndrewP]

Just testin' you Davie,

Thie full address here will take you to the Statistical Accounts for Scotland.

http://stat-acc-scot.edina.ac.uk/stat-a ... c-scot.asp


All the best,

Andrew Paterson